Just been kicked out of a group for objecting to being referred to as my reproductive organs

[Gerlais]

Group on Facebook. I was referred to as a “uterus owner”. I objected to this. I’m now banned from the group for being transphobic. Everyone piled on me and if I wasn’t kicked out I would have been leaving anyway. I don’t care what other people want to be called but I will not be referred to as my reproductive organs!! It’s not transphobic to want to be referred to as a woman if you were in fact born female and wish to remain a woman? surely?? Or AIBU?

To add further to my earlier comment about bullying:

Who is being bullied and excluded because they do not want insulting and dehumanising language said to them and used about them? Oh yes, that would be the OP a woman.

Certain posters should take a long hard look at themselves and those they ally with.

I'm a member of a menopausal group on fb and wasn't aware of transwomen being in it until a post turned up fairly recently and it was mentioned. Apparently we have to be kind and tolerant!! Needless to say I don't comment anymore. I did see someone state that no penis people should be allowed but it was ignored and comments were turned off.

@SolasAnla
I do not mind about self ID, I understand that it can be missused, but I believe most people going for the self ID will genuinely want it, and mean it.
I, in principle, would not mind to share toilet or changing room with someone identifying as a woman, who behaves like a woman. I think it will depend more on the individual really.
I do not like the mixed toilets and changing rooms though, mainly for young teens and young people, because they are quite self concious.
This of this language been introduced in legal documents is absurd, especially the word mother! They have lost the plot.
Anyway I am serious, if it does not say woman or mother it does not apply to me. And if it takes me to jail, I shall write you from there.

That’s gross and so disrespectful.

How was being a “uterus owner” relevant in an iron deficiency group.

I agree though I find that type of language dehumanising.

For the "it never happens"

A male objecting to another male supporting a campaign for sex based rights.

@ FemmeLoves
Ok so, do you think that people in possession of a penis, as 90+% of transwomen are, should have the right to access spaces where women and girls are undressing, such as changing rooms?

@ Matt_Dillahunty
If they're women. Yes.

@ MsChopsy
There's your problem, Matt. That 'if' is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Sounds like even you aren't sure.

@ Matt_Dillahunty
Then you're not paying attention.

Some people with penises are women.
Some people with penises aren't.

If it's a women's space, those women with penises should be included.
5:54 PM · Nov 30, 2021

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97% on over 1200 votes.

As usual, the majority think it's all total bullshit.
Makes me laugh that they try to keep this stuff in the feminism section so they can convince themselves everyone else believes this shite.

If they claim it's about transmen, (which we all know it's not) then why the fuck should we all stop using the words woman, mother and breastfeeding just because a tiny minority of females want to opt out? That's their choice, not ours.

The words woman and women should ALWAYS be priority when in comes to discussing female health and needs. Anything else can be added on.

I never considered myself a feminist until the trans movement started stepping on our toes.

Thank you MN, Twitter and JK Rowling for bringing it into the light where it belongs.

I'm angry, and I'm not alone.

Cordyceps
I thought there was a topic for this stuff. I have it muted for a reason.

So you have no interest in speaking out about women and mothers being humiliated by being reduced to their body parts. Obviously, you have no respect for women.

Mumsnet is aimed mainly at women. I find it unbelievable that some MNers insist the discussion of women’s rights is confined to one small corner.

@cabingirl

I know it might not be the most popular opinion here but my view is that the way forward to be more inclusive is the BE more inclusive. So that we can increase the terms used for people based on their preferences rather than try to reduced everyone to one term which pleases no one.

For example in pregnancy related literature I don't see why we can't talk about 'women and other birthing people' - to include the non-binery and transmen who can and do get pregnant.

You'll find that most women on here are perfectly prepared to compromise in the sort of way you suggest. However, just like with third spaces the TRAs want nothing short of total capitulation by women.

@Wobblyhousehunt

Admiral Caine …. Obviously men and women can be survivors of invest and rape. Should transwomen have to go to groups for male victims of incest and rape? I also believe that trans women have the highest rate of sexual assault/ violence against them out of any group.

I sometimes think people post things like this so they can have a moan, making regular people think trans women are monsters. Is this the whole story OP or are you gasslighting?

I urge every kind woman in the fence about this stuff to know that transwomen just want to be safe. They don’t want to refer to you by your body parts or any such nonsense. They have difficult hard lives please be kind. And always remember it could be your son/ daughter/ brother/ niece/ dad who comes out as trans next.

@Wobblyhousehunt trans people can go to trans-specific groups for victims of abuse.

I also believe that trans women have the highest rate of sexual assault
Some people also believe in the bogeyman and the tooth fairy. It doesn't make it true. 97% of women have experienced sexual harassment, less than 20% of trans people have.

[quote ColdShouldersWarmTummy]@ButtonSister yes, I agree. I also know that there are trans men in the group who don't like to think of their mammary glands as "breasts" so I don't mind adding the term " chestfeeding" for their benefit - just so long as "breastfeeding" is also included iyswim.[/quote]
But men have breasts too. Men have less estrogen and more testosterone so their breasts do not enlarge upon puberty, but they are still breasts. They can get breast cancer too. So why don't transmen like to refer to body parts present (with some differences) in both men and women?

YANBU. Report the group for being utter misogynists.

If you’re friends with anyone in the group I would ditch them!

@Appledrop
You and all of the women know that the male is not going through a natural part of the lifecycle of women.
Its not something a human of either sex can identify into.
His action has resulted in you self excluding.
Rather that being blunt and telling the male that the group is not for or about males the Admins have abandoned the core mission of the group.

@MushMonster
What are the unique elements in the gender role which a female and a male who identifies as a woman share which is different from the unique elements in the gender role which a male and a female who identifies as a woman share?

What is the logic you are using to differentiate between a unknownn male you will be naked with and one you will not be naked with?

Ireland has about 350 males who through self ID have been given the right to strip naked beside you in a female changing room.
At least 2 of them have appeared in the criminal courts. Do you want to guess what the allegations were?

@cabingirl

I know it might not be the most popular opinion here but my view is that the way forward to be more inclusive is the BE more inclusive. So that we can increase the terms used for people based on their preferences rather than try to reduced everyone to one term which pleases no one.

For example in pregnancy related literature I don't see why we can't talk about 'women and other birthing people' - to include the non-binery and transmen who can and do get pregnant.

If a woman is so gender dysphoric that they wish to transition to a man then why are they experiencing something that (literally/scientifically/biologically) only women can do? LEAVE WOMEN ALONE. Adult human females. So sick of this bullshit.

@Wobblyhousehunt

Really telling that kindness is scorned up on. And when your all shouting about your facts, here’s mine … trans people exist. No matter what you say they exist and there are a great many people who stand by them.

Who said that they don't exist? On which page can I find the post that says that they don't exist?

Where's the kindness to women who are suffering from PTSD following sexual violence? They are just told to accept the male sat next to them and "reframe their trauma".

I do not mind to share space with someone who behaves as my own sex. Let's say, they work with me, and they are genuinely womanly. So, no issue with me. I mean it.
This has nothing to do with the post though. The post is about the word woman. I am not giving that one up.

@RaisedByPangolins

Get yourself over the feminism threads and to see even more of this batshittery on a daily basis. The world has gone nuts. Oh sorry shouldn’t say that as it’s probably offensive to people with nut allergies.

"Oh sorry shouldn’t say that as it’s probably offensive to people with nut allergies."

Sorry but can we all appreciate this little gem in an otherwise stressful thread. (I agree that the 'uterus owner' thing is vile and the whole situation very worrying! But this cheered me right up

I always get really confused about the chestfeeding language. If you're a transman and so gender dysphoric that the word breastfeeding is offensive to you, why would you choose to get pregnant and breastfeed? I mean, you've literally chosen to use amd centre your uterus and breasts in the way that only women can, but the word "breastfeeding" is triggering? I really can't follow any logic there.

@MothExterminator

I don’t get this.

Why do I have to call myself a uterus owner to be kind to trans people? This is bizarre.

Of course you don't. This is utter nonsense along the lines of paranoid "patriots" claiming that they're not allowed to call themselves English any more. No one has stopped @Gerlais calling herself a woman, or insisted that she must call herself a uterus owner instead.

@MurielSpriggs can you read? The OP objected to being referred to as a "Uterus Owner" and was immediately booted.

[quote DdraigGoch]@MurielSpriggs can you read? The OP objected to being referred to as a "Uterus Owner" and was immediately booted.[/quote]
Honestly, if you really can't see the difference then it's too tiresome to explain, and it's about as likely to achieve a breakthrough as arguing with the nationalists in the Daily Express comments!

She wanted to be referred to as a woman rather than a uterus owner and was thrown out of the group. How is that paranoia? 🤔