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Partner and new baby - need some perspective!

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Ftm229 · 29/11/2021 00:20

Hi all,

Posting here for unbiased opinions on something that keeps causing problems.

My partner and I recently had our first baby (8 weeks old). Baby was born via c section after a failed induction. He has had a few problems with reflux and possible CMPA which has been difficult, although things have improved a little. However, we are very much in the fussy stage at the moment. He gets overtired easily and struggles to nap anywhere but on one of us, which is fine by me!

Anyway back to my issue. My partner has a couple of hobbies which he does weekly. One takes him away for a good few hours every week, and he's home about midnight with travel (it's something he does with friends who live a couple of hours away). The other is a sport. They practice 1-2x per week and play another competitive game on a weekend.

The week after baby was born he was back to his hobbies. In fairness, he has cut down the amount of practice he goes to, so rather than 2x per week he's been once and then to the game at the weekend. Also, his other hobby has recently taken him away for a couple of days at a time over the past few weeks. This was to do something that had been planned and paid for for months. He could have been gone longer and was originally due to be away for 3 weeks but has been at home as much as he says he can.

I on the other hand met up with friends for an hour one time at about 4 weeks pp. I came back after an hour after calling my partner who was obviously struggling by himself.

He is really good with our baby and the above scenario was just a difficult day. He does his fair share of housework (more when I was recovering from my c section) and looks after the baby as much as I do when he's here, although he is not good at waking during the night and tends to take over early morning so I can nap (when not at work - he does shifts).

I write this as he has announced he is going away tomorrow night to see a friend he has not seen in ages, followed by 2 nights away in relation to the hobby I mentioned (same location). He reminds me that he could be gone the whole week for his hobby (sorry trying to be vague ish here!) so these 3 nights away is less than what he was supposed to be doing originally.

Am I being unreasonable to be a bit annoyed?! I do not begrudge him his free time at all, I think it's just the speed to which he returned to things when baby was tiny and the problems he has had. I suppose I also feel that his life has changed so much less in comparison to mine.

On the other hand, he keeps saying how I should be getting out by myself too and he will look after baby. I also have a lot of family support so have not always been on my own...he says he would not be gone as much if it were not for them.

I can feel myself becoming a little bit resentful and wonder if I'm being unfair. He is a lovely man, very good with our baby and there would be no issue if I announced I was going out twice a week myself (I am FF due to issues with BF so this wouldn't be a factor). However, I don't want to leave baby that much.

Very happy to be told I am unreasonable here!!

I would really appreciate some perspective.

OP posts:
GabriellaMontez · 30/11/2021 19:01

An encore from Billy1966!

It's harsh. And it's spot on.

He's a shit husband. Is his dad like this?

VioletRose91 · 30/11/2021 23:03

What I would want to know is why he feels comfortable going away for a extended period when he has a young baby at home, I can understand maybe going out for a few hours after work to play footy or something but surely he wouldn’t want to miss anything over the course of days!?! He needs to grow up and realise you both should be his priority not playing second fiddle to his poxy hobbies.

EnglishMuffins · 30/11/2021 23:28

Is his hobby golf, by chance?

Things change when you have a baby. Hobbies take a backseat. You are NBU

Schoolchoicemission · 30/11/2021 23:55

@billy1966

Any further mention of him going part time, laugh at him.

He couldn't even do two weeks of paternity leave.

He is the type that would be off every other evening, needing 'me time' after a few hours of childcare ,and hobbies would be ramped up as he again would need 'head space'.

Knock it on the head totally.

If you can re read this thread and imagine it was someone you cared about, I think you will realise that your assertion that he doesn't know he is being manipulative is not true.

I suggest to you he knows only too well that him being very upset is a tool he has used well in the past, to great effect, to arrest people being upset with him.

It probably worked on his mother.
My eldest son used to do it as a toddler, until I got wise to it and became immune.

He stopped his tears when I said to him "stop your tears/upset, they no longer work on me, you know well you shouldn't have done that etc.".

I suggest you stop taking on board his upset and tell him you are fed up of his selfishness.

It would do you good to detach from him emotionally and start looking at him objectively.

So far he's really not a great father.

I have never heard of a father spending half his paternity leave on hobbies.

It is such shabby behaviour and makes a mockery of the reason the legislation was brought in.

He has demeaned the role of fatherhood and the opportunity of paternity leave, by spending it on hobbies, rather than bonding with his son and supporting you.

Paternity leave is only used by men for hobbies if they are complete wasters.

He will give you as much guff as you will take.
You need to tell him how deeply disappointed you are in him and his behaviour.
He was really let you and your son down, by behaving so selfishly.
That you think he should move out as you need time to think.
Let him reflect on that and explain it.

You will be putting down a valuable marker going forward.

If he huffs and puffs you can ask him what the problem is? His priority continues to be his hobbies and going away on trips even when HIS son was ill.

Don't hold back.
If you don't make it abundantly clear that you and your son will not be an afterthought, this behavior will continue and only get worse.

Flowers

This is everything I thought and more. Pay attention OP!

He sounds like a pathetic man child who has you wrapped round his little finger. The party thing is absolutely inexcusable. You are worth more than this.

Ftm229 · 01/12/2021 01:04

@GabriellaMontez

An encore from Billy1966!

It's harsh. And it's spot on.

He's a shit husband. Is his dad like this?

Not as far as I know, but I don't think he knows either (his family don't really talk about anything other than quite superficial chat)
OP posts:
Ftm229 · 01/12/2021 01:14

@schoolchoicemission
@billy1966

Thanks both. I am reading and taking into account everything said - it's helpful to hear unbiased opinions. Honestly I am a little surprised at the amount of people who have said that this is absolutely out of order, I wasn't expecting it. As I say it is definitely food for thought. It is tricky to give a full and accurate picture (especially with baby to look after!) on here, but you are right when you say that if I read this as if it were someone I cared about I would be thinking the same as you are really.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 01/12/2021 01:40

[quote Ftm229]@schoolchoicemission
@billy1966

Thanks both. I am reading and taking into account everything said - it's helpful to hear unbiased opinions. Honestly I am a little surprised at the amount of people who have said that this is absolutely out of order, I wasn't expecting it. As I say it is definitely food for thought. It is tricky to give a full and accurate picture (especially with baby to look after!) on here, but you are right when you say that if I read this as if it were someone I cared about I would be thinking the same as you are really.[/quote]
I suppose those of us who had fully involved partners who were as thrilled with the baby as we were and as desperate to see them and deal with them as we were, just know that his detachment isn't right.
And also that a good partner also wants to look after the mother of that new baby as much as possible. You can't do that if you've swanned off to do your 'hobby'.

TheWestIsTheBest · 01/12/2021 02:11

He sounds like a selfish prick to me. That stunt he pulled staying late at the party made my jaw drop! He sounds like a shit dad and partner to me, do not let him go part time! I really hope you listen to all the wise women on here, you deserve much better than this.

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 13:41

@whattodo202000

As soon as DD arrives, he has done virtually no parenting and thought I should be grateful when he would occasionally put a dishwasher on or put a load of washing on.

Ah, these old fucking chestnuts. Not only is that a paltry amount of housework in itself, those are tasks that are really just a segment of a LARGER job.

“Doing the dishes” = stacking the dishwasher, putting tablet in, emptying dishwasher and putting stuff away.

“Doing laundry” = gathering up dirty clothes, putting in washing machine, letting cycle run, taking out of machine, hanging up somewhere to dry/putting through tumble dry cycle and putting away once dry.

Men so, so often just do the easiest segment, leave dishwasher/washing Maschine to run its cycle, wander away and assume the house fairy/slave will finish the other harder/more time consuming segments,

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 13:44

BTW, I absorbed such abject task shirking and became the house fairy… until I had my son and my time was completely taken up, particularly during his baby hood. Then there was no slack in the system any more and my husband started to get it in the neck until he changed. He’s still not great, but better.

I couldn’t give a fuck if the world things I’m a shrew: get the entire fucking jobs done because I AM BUSY, MY FRIEND.

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 13:45

*thinks

billy1966 · 01/12/2021 14:21

I applaud your shrewdom @Piglet89 👏👏👏

Internalised fury is so bad you.

Letting it out is so much better😁

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 14:26

Thanks @billy1966 and thanks all on thread: saving me a fortune in therapy.

AnneElliott · 01/12/2021 14:39

I agree you need to resolve this early - being the default parent is hard and you quickly resent the other one for not pulling their weight.

FlowerArranger · 01/12/2021 16:05

This:
He will give you as much guff as you will take.
And this:
Don't hold back. If you don't make it abundantly clear that you and your son will not be an afterthought, this behavior will continue and only get worse
And especially this:
his detachment isn't right. ... a good partner also wants to look after the mother of that new baby as much as possible. You can't do that if you've swanned off to do your 'hobby'.

His detachment from both you and his child are deeply concerning. Even if you put your foot down, it my be that he just isn't capable of being a decent husband and father.

But either way, @Ftm229, what you do now will determine your life.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 01/12/2021 16:17

“Doing laundry” = gathering up dirty clothes, putting in washing machine, letting cycle run, taking out of machine, hanging up somewhere to dry/putting through tumble dry cycle and putting away once dry.

I agree can I add PAIRING THE FUCKING SOCKS I don't care if you do it before or after you put the wash on but we have an increasing number of clean but pairless socks. Also washing for one tiny baby = sweet and rewarding- those gorgeous little babygrows are a pleasure to launder with their breast milk stains. Washing for 2 smelly, adult sized teens who spread their clothes all over the bathroom/ bedroom/ any available service= complete and utter drudgery.

Sorry total derail as you were.

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 19:27

@Neurodiversitydoctor see? All the women on this thread know EXACTLY what I mean.

Men (my husband included) are like why are you moaning about the laundry? It doesn't take up that much time!

No: because you do literally a tenth of it and I do all the things around the easy segment you choose to do.

Piglet89 · 01/12/2021 19:27

Laundry derail over.

cansu · 01/12/2021 19:48

His comment that you should go out is really rather manipulative as he knows full well that you are not going to take him up on this. He should be able to go out once or twice a week for a few hours as should you. He should not be fucking off for days or nights except as an occasional thing that you are both happy with. He is taking the piss. The fact that pre kids he would have been out more or for longer is neither here nor there. He is now 50% responsible for the baby. He is assuming you are the default parent.

Donebeingitchy · 01/12/2021 20:18

Its really sad when i read these types of situations and realise what people tolerate and accept as the norm in their lives.

Naturally any parent knows when having a newborn your leisurely life goes on hold for at least the first couple of months.

Any thought of trying to resume a normal life after such a life changing thing wouldnt even cross me or my dhs head. We would consider the other absurd to even entertain the idea.

Going out for a couple hours here or there is one thing, leaving for days on end is another.

Summerrain123 · 02/12/2021 06:55

I was exactly the same. My husband kept saying, 'well you can do the same' but I just wanted my free time in the house I was too tired to make plans out.
You need to agree how much time you each have 'off' each week. For every hour he has 'off' you need the same to take yourself off into the bedroom with a book / Netflix to be uninterrupted and get a lock if needs be!

Gardeningcreature · 02/12/2021 07:20

Here here regarding the laundry and other jobs.
My ex was so very good at staring jobs and leaving me to finish them.
On they day I told him to leave he had “Done the washing.” No, what he had done was wash the clothes, peg them out on the line then leave them for me to have to bring in (despite being bloody knackered after working ) me to have to iron, sort out and put away. He had also allowed dd to go to a friends house telling the parents that we would collect her. In other words I had to sort the bloody washing out and then go and collect dd. He had somewhere to go so couldn’t possibly do these things. Quite frankly he created more work. After we split my work load reduced, it became quite apparent who did the household chores and it certainly wasn’t him.

Totalwasteofpaper · 02/12/2021 07:40

I am with @billy1966 on this.

I am 28 weeks pregnant. If my husband lost his mind and tried to piss off for the night I would tell him in all seriousness to take his bags with him andto fuck off and not to come back.

I am also the breadwinner and I cannot strongly enough advise that you get proper paid childcare and do not let this man get into a position where he can claim he has become your child's primary carer.

I had a friend in a similar situation to you who ignored me and let her DH be a stay at home. He didnt give her much choice as he tactically quit with nothing to go to so became the "primary carer" which involved her still paying for cleaners and nursery as he spent his time cycling "for his depression" and playing xbox. she is now in a living nightmare as when she finally woke the fuck up it was too late and the child is his meal ticket. He he has primary custody kept the marital home and has royally shafted her. The new girlfriend plays mummy to her child and she is living in a one bed flat on to 200k pa salary. He can do this as he contributed nothing for years but has assets that can't by touched (he his them and post separation relieved a large inheritance from a GP)
It's a total disgrace

You have been warned.

Schoolchoicemission · 02/12/2021 09:43

@Totalwasteofpaper

I am with *@billy1966* on this.

I am 28 weeks pregnant. If my husband lost his mind and tried to piss off for the night I would tell him in all seriousness to take his bags with him andto fuck off and not to come back.

I am also the breadwinner and I cannot strongly enough advise that you get proper paid childcare and do not let this man get into a position where he can claim he has become your child's primary carer.

I had a friend in a similar situation to you who ignored me and let her DH be a stay at home. He didnt give her much choice as he tactically quit with nothing to go to so became the "primary carer" which involved her still paying for cleaners and nursery as he spent his time cycling "for his depression" and playing xbox. she is now in a living nightmare as when she finally woke the fuck up it was too late and the child is his meal ticket. He he has primary custody kept the marital home and has royally shafted her. The new girlfriend plays mummy to her child and she is living in a one bed flat on to 200k pa salary. He can do this as he contributed nothing for years but has assets that can't by touched (he his them and post separation relieved a large inheritance from a GP)
It's a total disgrace

You have been warned.

Oh this is terrifying. Your poor poor friend.
cruffin · 02/12/2021 10:49

Fucking hell you need to nip this shit in the bud now. Some good advice on here. So selfish.

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