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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To suggest OH may not be good father material

180 replies

Timetable99 · 28/11/2021 20:47

Just that really. My OH is keen to have at least one child as soon as we can afford to but currently he plays computer games every spare moment he has (late 20s, no kids so lots of free time - he plays them a lot when WFH too) and he complains often whenever he does housework or has a busy social week scheduled that it is cutting into his gaming time. Busy to him currently means less than 2 hours available a day to do his own thing.
I pointed out to him that he would have barely any time to relax at all if we had children and that I'm not sure he would be able to handle how full on I've heard it is. He's upset with me now for implying he isn't good father material as he says he would get fully involved as soon as he has an obligation to be. I have severe doubts. AIBU? Is it possible to tell at all before committing to having children just whether the guy is going to actually pitch in and support 50/50?

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nimbuscloud · 28/11/2021 21:11

he has been gaming a lot usually and doesn't do much in the evenings/weekends except cook dinner and the odd breakfast here and there (which I always show a lot of gratitude for).

What do you see in him????

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 28/11/2021 21:12

You are absolutely right to be worried. Perhaps time to find yourself a grown up.

divface · 28/11/2021 21:13

This is why you live with somebody before committing to a family

He'd not the one. You sound amazing and deserve somebody more your equal

billy1966 · 28/11/2021 21:13

[quote Timetable99]@lovecomesquickly We moved in together recently and dividing up the housework what feels in a fair way to both of us has been an onging issue. He does much more of the cooking because he likes it but doesn't do anything else unless nagged. This includes all the cleaning, laundry, clutter, beds, general maintenance etc. And I have places like mumsnet to thank for realising I take on the "mental load" - he wouldn't in a million years realise that we need new toothbrush heads or need to buy more paracetamol or the gas meter readings need taking. It's getting exhausting trying different ways of getting him to notice things and I'm not sure he ever will, I presume this would only feel 100 times worse with kids and all the things they need.
It's not that he's particularly grumpy about doing things once asked but he usually sighs or makes pointed comments about how much he's already doing like I should be more appreciative. I don't feel like I should be thanking him for just doing what is asked. I don't get thanks for doing all the laundry and cleaning! Wondering how best to move forward with all this now.[/quote]
What is going on with you OP that you would want to move in with a guy and want to be his skivvy?
WTF are you thinking?

Give your head a wobble.

Why is your bar so low?

He won't clean up after himself but thinks he'll be a good father?

Is he having a laugh?

He has some opinion of himself.

Why is your opinion of yourself so low that you would move in an assume all his skivvying?

Unbelievable.

If you were my daughter I would be shaking you and utterly mortified that you were making so little of yourself.

Tell him sort his own shit out and move out asap.

He's a lazy waster that will be a lazy husband and lazy father to some poor misfortune.......make sure its not YOU.

Timetable99 · 28/11/2021 21:14

@evans97 that sounds quite positive thank you. I guess I'm scared currently as I've always loved my financial independence, ability to do whatever I want on my timescale etc. and I am terrified a baby would mean I'd be trapped if I had one with OH. Sorry to dripfeed but I saw this situation happen to my own mum where she got financially dependent on my father who didn't help out at all (except she didn't have a career, just a useless husband) and I'm not sure how I will ever even feel secure enough to do so.

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billy1966 · 28/11/2021 21:16

And you're paying for him?

You couldn't make this up.

Get some counselling asap to figure out why you are settling for SO little?

Unbelievable OP.Flowers

Kendoddsdadsdogsdadsdead · 28/11/2021 21:17

I think if you are questioning this, he isn't the right person to have a child with.

Timetable99 · 28/11/2021 21:18

Are there even men who exist who can take on the mental load and contribute equally in all ways?

Not meaning to sound glib but I've only ever dated/lived with quiet gamer who are nice but also lazy and a more assertive, active kind of man has always weirdly me off...I just assume they would cheat and leave me alone with the kids anyway. I think now I've laid this all down I need to get to therapy or similar Confused

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Indeedy · 28/11/2021 21:21

Please don’t do it! I was in a very similar situation, we had been together a long time, he had always wanted children and despite being a gamer and rubbish at housework I figured he would step up… he didn’t, I ended up doing pretty much everything and felt so isolated. I’m now separated and life is sooo much better because I’m looking after one child rather than two.

ChimChimeny · 28/11/2021 21:21

I do a bit more than DH because I work part time but he definitely does his share. Especially compared to some men I've read about on here!

Pinkyxx · 28/11/2021 21:21

I had a child with a man like this. I realized mid-way through my pregnancy that I was effectively already a mother, only to a man-child.

I remember him telling the mid-wife he couldn't possibly help with the baby as he worked and needed to relax / sleep. The mid-wife laughed, thinking he was joking. He meant it...

He also expected I do all the cooking, cleaning, shopping & return to work the minute my full mat pay ended.. he sulked, complained and had tantrums about how ''his needs were not being met'' and how ''you changed''... and how he didn't get enough sleep so could I please move the baby out of our room as when I breast fed in bed, it disturbed him.

Please do think long and hard about having a child with a man like this.

hemhem · 28/11/2021 21:23

I hate to ask this but are your partners anything like your dad?! And do you want the same for yourself as your mum?

If you have a baby I assume you'd also take some time off for mat leave? Would your career be the same after time off? What childcare would you need to continue working? What if your future children were ill or had special needs?

If your DP isn't going to step up now with some very minimal housework then its doubtful he'd cope with a child to look after.

cakecakecheese · 28/11/2021 21:23

Some people think that their partner will automatically step up when a baby arrives then are shocked when they're just as much of a slacker as they've always been so you're being very sensible to consider this. Do try and take a step back though and look at what you're actually getting in from this relationship because, as you're starting to realise, men like this are very unlikely to change and you are likely to find yourself doing the bulk of the work and it's unfair.

hellcatspangle · 28/11/2021 21:26

MN is chock full of posts about men who don't pull their weight with family stuff and never have - the response is always the same "Why did you have children with this man (child)?"

Listen to that advice.

MozzarellaMonster · 28/11/2021 21:26

They do exist, please don't put up with this , it will only get worse! I had one of yours but when he started going on about having kids it woke me up, I realised I'd be stuck with being his mum as well forever ( he didn't even cook) the next one was much better so I married him, he's a good en and really does pull his weight and share the load, maybe if your fella wants you to believe he's father material he could try upping his game and actually helping round the house!

NewlySingle2021 · 28/11/2021 21:26

Don't do it! My STBEH was obsessive with football, work and gaming. Also desperate for the house, 2.4 children, 'perfect life' image and swore if I agreed to kids he'd cut down on everything. I did not want children originally but he put pressure on. Promised changes. Blah blah. Fast forward, our eldest is 7 and H has not changed a thing and in fact got more gaming obsessed over lockdowns. I realised he would never prioritise his family over himself and I wasn't willing to waste any more time.

It sounds like you know what's what here, listen to your gut. I ignored all my instincts and wish I hadn't.

Lalliella · 28/11/2021 21:31

Not good father material? Not only that, he doesn’t sound like good OH material either.

billy1966 · 28/11/2021 21:31

Of course they exist.

The answer to having not met one is NOT to end up paying/doing everything for a loser with a child to juggle too.

Stop being a skivvy.
Get therapy as an absolute priority.
Stop paying more than 50% for goodness sake.

microbius · 28/11/2021 21:34

Does he do ALL dinners? If he does all dinners, I wouldn't mind doing cleaning. I think cooking every night is more work than cleaning once a week (for me anyway)
Obviously only you can know if he does anything else at all; I think usually people pay attention to what they do and tend to ignore what the OH does. If he doesn't do anything bar cooking, ie would not fold laundry when it's dry EVER than it is obv a red flag.
Can't comment on gaming

AnneLovesGilbert · 28/11/2021 21:37

Of course they exist!

It sounds like this has been helpful if painful and you’re so right to explore your feelings and expectations in therapy. Read some books, find podcasts or articles that chime with you. You’ve got time on your side to work all of this stuff out before choosing your lobster person and thinking about babies. You don’t however have time to waste on mothering a man child.

DontBeCatty · 28/11/2021 21:38

It’s not looking good OP 🙁.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 28/11/2021 21:38

[quote Timetable99]@lovecomesquickly We moved in together recently and dividing up the housework what feels in a fair way to both of us has been an onging issue. He does much more of the cooking because he likes it but doesn't do anything else unless nagged. This includes all the cleaning, laundry, clutter, beds, general maintenance etc. And I have places like mumsnet to thank for realising I take on the "mental load" - he wouldn't in a million years realise that we need new toothbrush heads or need to buy more paracetamol or the gas meter readings need taking. It's getting exhausting trying different ways of getting him to notice things and I'm not sure he ever will, I presume this would only feel 100 times worse with kids and all the things they need.
It's not that he's particularly grumpy about doing things once asked but he usually sighs or makes pointed comments about how much he's already doing like I should be more appreciative. I don't feel like I should be thanking him for just doing what is asked. I don't get thanks for doing all the laundry and cleaning! Wondering how best to move forward with all this now.[/quote]
Imagine this.

You have a lovely baby who unfortunately, has colic. So they've been crying a lot since about 5pm. He's been sat there gaming whilst you've done all the care. Eventually, the baby falls asleep and you have to go and get some rest.

An hour later, just as you've gone into deep sleep from exhaustion, the baby starts making little noises. He's ignoring it. The noises get louder. He turns the volume up on his game. You wake, your head pounding, disorientated, dizzy, nauseous from lack of sleep to a screaming baby and the TV turned up full blast to drown out the sound of your child's cries. There's no cup of tea put beside you as you slump on the sofa because he's at a crucial point of the level. Just the constant noise of the game.

Thankfully, you go back to sleep quite quickly. Only to be woken up as he's decided to shoot some more aliens or whatever game he likes best - if it's a driving or football game, you won't be going to sleep at all. There's a constant flickering light and the baby just keeps on waking up - as though there's something disturbing them. You need another drink, but you go to the kitchen and find he hasn't even touched the washing up because he's been gaming.

You then get woken up again at 4.30am and then at 7, you're hoping he'll take over so you can get a bit more sleep. But he whines and moans that he's really tired and makes such a fuss that you're too wound up to sleep, especially as you know that he'll be back on the fucking console again the instant you nod off and you'll be woken by a baby who hasn't been changed and has a leaking nappy that he can't possibly have failed to smell but he's ignored because he cooked dinner last night.

It's not a life you want or need.

Gliderx · 28/11/2021 21:38

Trust your instincts. Well done for being ahead of the curve in realising this.

They don't step up post-baby. They get worse. There's something about you being home on maternity leave that makes them think that you're their 1950s housewife. And they like you to continue in the 1950s housewife role when you go back to work, even if pre-baby they did some stuff around the house. So it will go from you doing 70% and them doing 30% of housework/cooking pre-baby to you doing 95% of both chores and childcare while also trying to hold down a full-time job. They will huff and puff and empty the dishwasher or take out the bins occasionally. You will know about this because they will never do it silently. They may also hold the baby while you have a shower now and then but only if nagged and it will be a great imposition that interrupts their gaming or other hobbies. In their mind, the baby is your out-of-work 'hobby'.

NEbotherpet · 28/11/2021 21:40

Don't do it, I've ended up in this situation and it's absolutely shit. You'll end up doing everything on your own while they game till 5am then are too tired to do anything the next day.

Notonthenewrug · 28/11/2021 21:41

Take it from someone who is currently living this shit life. Don't do it.