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Do you remember Heather Mills?

609 replies

LucilleBluth · 28/11/2021 18:52

I have been watching the Beatles documentary and got to thinking about her.

She was in the papers constantly in the 2000s, I remember her being painted as an absolute con artist witch. I googled a few articles about her from the time of the divorce. They are brutal in the misogynistic tone, she’s labelled as a slag, a goer, ex prostitute, you name it.

I don’t think papers write about women in such hash terms anymore. Maybe she was a bit of a twat, whoever married Saint Paul would have suffered at that time I think.

I suppose by AIBU is are the press less misogynistic.

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EYProvider · 30/11/2021 22:08

Well let’s hope Heather herself pops in, @Sparklingbrook, because I’m absolutely sure that this is the story she has locked away in her little box evidence. You know, the big secret that the world couldn’t handle because it’s just too sad.

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:20

[quote EYProvider]I assume you don’t have John Lennon’s billions, Elvish? Anyway, here you go:

www.probatelawyerblog.com/2014/09/celebrity-legacies-yoko-and-julian-battled-over-john-lennons-estate.html[/quote]
I knew all this. Most people do. Yoko was left his estate and managed his interests after his death. We all know that Julian was not treated fairly.
You seem to be insinuating that Yoko wrote that will and cheated somehow. Of course he left his estate to his wife. Most people leave their estates to their partners. Julian was not treated fairly but it was John’s will. Despite what you might think there is no way she would have forged his will .

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:24

If I understand you, you’re inferring that John was killed by an assassin paid for by his wife and her lover? Is that it?

EYProvider · 30/11/2021 22:37

There’s no point in us having this conversation, @TheElvishQueen. You’re selective about the information you’re willing to absorb, and you’re pretending not to understand the point I’m making. And I know you do because I’m spelling it out.

YOKO WROTE THE WILL. Her gave her power of attorney over his image, his money and his life. He was the most famous man on the planet and a billionaire, so no, it’s not comparable with you having a power of attorney for your mother.

She was having an affair with a hustler called Sam Green. Sam Green had been implicated in the high profile murder of a billionaire heiress.

She put Sam Green in John’s will, which she had drawn up a year before he was murdered by a part time security guard who financed the trip from Hawaii to New York by selling a fucking Norman Rockwell painting. There’s more, but it’s probably not the place, which is a shame because it’s a lot more interesting than the size of Paul McCartney’s Scottish estate.

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:46

If John allowed her to write the will , he had the right to vetoed anything he put it in it. So it was down to his judgement. I don’t agree that was incapable by that point. He may have been very unwise to trust her, but that’s a common story. In any case, everything went to her, and that’s what he intended.
My point is that POA does not confer total control. It is there in case the person concerned is incapacitated, which he was not. He trusted her and she got all his money. That’s what he wanted. She may have been a schemer, who knows. I don’t believe she or Sam Green has anything to do with his death. I think if Paul had suspected anything like that he would not be on good terms with her now.

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:47

Vetoe anything she put in it.

amiafreakofnature · 30/11/2021 22:48

I immediately started singing 'what have you done today to make you feeeeeell proud' when I read the title
Urghh bed for me I think

EYProvider · 30/11/2021 22:52

How much do you actually know about John Lennon, Elvish?

If you know as much as you say you do, you know that he was obsessed with (1) the idea that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and (2) that he was going to be assassinated.

Of course, he could have vetoed anything she put in the will. The point is, HE KNEW.

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:54

You seriously think he knew his wife was plotting to kill him? Really? On what evidence?

TheElvishQueen · 30/11/2021 22:56

Is that what you are referring to?

EYProvider · 30/11/2021 23:04

Well, it depends how you look at it. On the one hand, you could call it a brutal murder or a sacrifice (remember where it happened). On the other, you could think of it as the greatest art happening in history - the one thing guaranteed to turn John Lennon into the most legendary rock of star of all time and the ultimate act of one upmanship over Paul.

BringMeTea · 01/12/2021 08:18

Well this took a turn...

Sparklingbrook · 01/12/2021 08:20

@BringMeTea

Well this took a turn...
Yes, I wonder if OP wishes they had never asked, Grin
RockinHorseShit · 01/12/2021 08:21

Yes, I met her pre McCartney & losing her leg, so she was young, but definitely a mercenary gold digger even back then & she was shocked I wasn'tConfused. Friendly enough though, but even so young, very full of herself

PinkyPromises · 01/12/2021 09:19

Is it worth having a different thread to fight discuss John and Yoko?

TheElvishQueen · 01/12/2021 09:22

Sorry folks.
Will draw a line now.

TimeToGoNuclear · 01/12/2021 10:17

A minor clarification before the discussion turns back to HM - the PP’s arguing about the scope of power of attorneys are both right as there are TWO types of LPA (at least in the U.K. )

One is for medical and healthcare - which only comes into force when a person is declared incapacitated:

Health and welfare lasting power of attorney
Use this LPA to give an attorney the power to make decisions about things like:

*your daily routine, for example washing, dressing, eating
medical care
moving into a care home
life-sustaining treatment
It can only be used when you’re unable to make your own decisions.

And one for financial help. -which can be effected ay any time.

Property and financial affairs lasting power of attorney
Use this LPA to give an attorney the power to make decisions about money and property for you, for example:

managing a bank or building society account
paying bills
collecting benefits or a pension
selling your home
It can be used as soon as it’s registered, with your permission.

I had a financial LPA for my dad to help him with his finances, buying/selling houses, managing investments, online banking and shopping etc and he certainly wasn’t incapacitated, just computer illiterate!
I could have rewritten his will if I had wanted to, but if it was questioned I would have had to prove that I acted in his interests or that I was continuing to act in a way that he had demonstrated he agreed with.
For example, if he was NC with a child for many years and hadn’t provided any financial support, gifts etc, I might argue that these actions led me to believe that he would have cut them out of his will - ie it was ok for me to do it as I was enacting his wishes which his precedent had established. If he was dead or incapacitated by the time the change was discovered - no one could argue otherwise.
The child would have to take me to court and prove his parent wouldn’t have wanted his will to be changed, but there would be nothing stopping me from doing it in the first place. By signing the LPA he handed over control of his financial situation to me 🤷🏼‍♀️

www.gov.uk/power-of-attorney

Sparklingbrook · 01/12/2021 10:21

@PinkyPromises

Is it worth having a different thread to fight discuss John and Yoko?
Quite. I never knew there was such strong feelings about them. Very odd derail.
EYProvider · 01/12/2021 10:44

Well, I get that it might not be the right thread, but you didn’t know that people had strong feelings about John Lennon’s murder? Really?

It was the defining event of the 1980s. It’s the thing everyone remembers - where they were and what they were doing the exact moment they heard that John Lennon had been shot. I know he’s been ‘cancelled’ by the enlightened minority (I bet she was behind that as well - sorry, Yoko, only joking), but come on.

Sparklingbrook · 01/12/2021 10:49

@EYProvider

Well, I get that it might not be the right thread, but you didn’t know that people had strong feelings about John Lennon’s murder? Really?

It was the defining event of the 1980s. It’s the thing everyone remembers - where they were and what they were doing the exact moment they heard that John Lennon had been shot. I know he’s been ‘cancelled’ by the enlightened minority (I bet she was behind that as well - sorry, Yoko, only joking), but come on.

Not enough to derail a thread about Heather Mills no. But I suppose it would look a bit odd to suddenly start one so although a tenuous link a good opportunity to get ranty about it?

I don't remember where I was when JL was shot, so it's not the thing that everyone remembers.
People will probably have other 80s defining moments that mean more to them.

EYProvider · 01/12/2021 11:19

To be fair, it was one of the defining events of the 20th century, never mind the 80s.

But anyway - what more is there to say about Heather Mills? She went after a very rich man who could give her a very big divorce settlement. Yes, she got her fingers burnt in the process, but she must have known from the start that would happen - he’s one of the most famous men on the planet. She decided it was worth it, and so what? The press went after her, but the payoff was 24 million - I bet she has no regrets.

Sparklingbrook · 01/12/2021 11:27

@EYProvider

To be fair, it was one of the defining events of the 20th century, never mind the 80s.

But anyway - what more is there to say about Heather Mills? She went after a very rich man who could give her a very big divorce settlement. Yes, she got her fingers burnt in the process, but she must have known from the start that would happen - he’s one of the most famous men on the planet. She decided it was worth it, and so what? The press went after her, but the payoff was 24 million - I bet she has no regrets.

It might be one of the defining events for some but not me and I expect many others.

I don't think there's much more to say about HM, so the thread will now drop out of active to possibly be revived as a zombie thread at some point. Grin

EYProvider · 01/12/2021 11:46

Well, I suppose I could start a thread called ‘100 things that don’t add up about the murder of John Lennon’, and I suppose it might get interest from everyone who does remember it as a defining event, but I don’t know the protocol for doing that or even if MN would allow it. The Estate is very litigious.

Sparklingbrook · 01/12/2021 11:49

@EYProvider

Well, I suppose I could start a thread called ‘100 things that don’t add up about the murder of John Lennon’, and I suppose it might get interest from everyone who does remember it as a defining event, but I don’t know the protocol for doing that or even if MN would allow it. The Estate is very litigious.
Probably best not to but there’s probably some corner of the internet that would love it. Reddit maybe?