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AIBU to not want to be an unmarried SAHM?

522 replies

EnglishMuffins · 27/11/2021 12:49

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on my situation.

I was married for several years and had 2 DC with my exH. I had always worked part time to be around for our young DC in a general admin job. Upon divorce , exH stayed in marital home and bought me out of my share. I took some furniture, no savings (in fact debts that needing reconciling) and no claim to his pension as he said the pot was too small to even consider sharing it 50/50 after only a few years being married.
I lived with family as I couldn’t afford to buy or rent on my PT salary, and we share custody of our DC 50/50.

Fast forward a couple of years and I met DP. He was also a divorcee. Their split was amicable, no DC involved. We bought a house together about 18 months into our relationship and soon after we unexpectedly fell pg (I said unexpectedly as there are fertility issues on both sides but a blessing all the same and we were delighted).
When our child was born we decided I would give up my job to be a full time SAHM. We also needed a bigger house so sold up and moved , but this time my name was no longer on the mortgage as my lack of income decreased our borrowing prospects. So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.

My issue is, I really thought that by now, DP would have proposed marriage. He’s not dead set against it, but he says things like “don’t do it!!” When we drive past weddings and things , and I just generally get the feeling he doesn’t see a second marriage in his future. Our child is almost 2, ive given up on my job, a career, paying into a pension, independence , I sold my little car.. have no savings or means to save , am solely reliant on DP wages . Meanwhile he is climbing the career ladder, paying into a pension, accruing savings and saving what I imagine would be a vast monthly sum in childcare costs.
AIBU to expect him to marry me? I just feel I’m in a vulnerable position, with nothing to fall back on. I want a secure future for my child and my DC from my previous marriage. I would even like to share a name with DP and our child and I guess rubber seal our family unit? So both financially, and romantically, I’d like to be married - but DP has no interest . Then part of me feels like a gold-digger for thinking he should marry me and give up 50:50 if we were to split.

What are the legal implications of not being married vs being married?
DP has a will, I don’t. DP has insurance through work that would pay off the mortgage - I guess this would be taxed? I have life insurance. No savings and a tiny pension from my PT job.

OP posts:
steff13 · 27/11/2021 19:51

@EnglishMuffins

I suppose, from where he’s standing, he’s bought a large home big enough to accommodate me and our DC but also my 2 DC from a previous relationship, mortgaged up to his eyeballs , pays all bills etc and financially helps towards my DC who aren’t his as I’m not working. He may genuinely be none the wiser this situation isn’t sitting right with me?
He would also have to be ignorant of the financial position that he's put you in. It doesn't matter that it's not sitting right with you, if he were a lovely man he would want to protect you. Marriage is the easiest way for him to do that. As it stands he hasn't really made a commitment to you.
BloomingTrees · 27/11/2021 20:01

He could change his will any day, especially if you split up.
In fact I'd be willing to bet if you did split up it wouldn't take him long to change it. Same with his work's life insurance.
You'll be left with no home, no pension and no savings.

Would you consider a part time job, which would allow you to look into remortgaging and putting your name on the deeds ?

VikingOnTheFridge · 27/11/2021 21:01

@BloomingTrees

He could change his will any day, especially if you split up. In fact I'd be willing to bet if you did split up it wouldn't take him long to change it. Same with his work's life insurance. You'll be left with no home, no pension and no savings.

Would you consider a part time job, which would allow you to look into remortgaging and putting your name on the deeds ?

He could even have changed it already.
E00denDeer5289 · 27/11/2021 21:10

Some practical things that you can check

If you are in UK, do you claim child benefit in your name ? Because it pays the National Insurance for your state pension for a certain amount of years.
You can check your National Insurance record on www.gov.uk if you log into the government gateway.
You can also check your state pension forecast via the same government gateway. You will need 35 qualifying years National Insurance contributions to claim a full state pension.

If your household earns too much money to claim child benefit, you can claim the National Insurance contributions, but not the money.

You can check your personal pension too

FloconDeNeige · 27/11/2021 21:18

Christ Almighty, another day, another thread about a SAHM who’s fucked and on borrowed time.

For the love of God women, don’t give up work and financial independence, married or not.

Bluntness100 · 27/11/2021 21:18

@IcelandicCabin

don't ask on MN. It's been a few years since I did family law, but i would recommend going to see a solicitor and get some advice. get proper advice, not just speculation and opinions.
Why should she not ask here? Lots of folks with experience,,,,,
Roisin78 · 27/11/2021 21:19

@EnglishMuffins

I suppose, from where he’s standing, he’s bought a large home big enough to accommodate me and our DC but also my 2 DC from a previous relationship, mortgaged up to his eyeballs , pays all bills etc and financially helps towards my DC who aren’t his as I’m not working. He may genuinely be none the wiser this situation isn’t sitting right with me?
You tell yourself that, sure he's never realised despite you talking and him telling you to trust him 🙄🙄 That's all great, until he decides actually I quite like Angie in accounts and then you're out on your ear. We'll have yet another thread on here along the lines of 'but it's such a shock, I didn't think it would happen to us and he's kept all the money). I've seen one of these threads on here today. Sorry but you're either very naive or very daft.
BurntO · 27/11/2021 21:21

If he won’t marry you get a FT job and get your name on the mortgage.

Roisin78 · 27/11/2021 21:23

My DH (DP) at the time put me on the deeds to his property within 6 months of me moving in with him so he knew I was ok if something happened to him. He essentially gave me half his house. We didn't marry till 2 years after that.

BurntO · 27/11/2021 21:23

I think considering you have your own 2 children outside of the relationship you were crazy to give up work for an unrelated man to support them too… you really need a job regardless. It’s the best option

DrSbaitso · 27/11/2021 21:25

I also love my DP (I wouldn’t want to marry him if I didn’t) so I also don’t understand why these threads sometimes digress into the “get your ducks in a line then leave him, waste of space”. He’s a lovely man, we have a child and have set up a blended family unit and we love each other - why would I leave him?

I'm not saying leave him, but it's alarming that you don't see why some posters would, given how absolutely vulnerable you are and how he's done nothing to protect you, even as he takes £25k from you for an asset he alone owns. You are just supposed to take it "on trust". Would you expect him to take it all "on trust" if the situation were reversed?

You must know women in this position get screwed over every day. Things are always fine until they're not. What do you think these women would have said about their partners before it happened?

reasysteady · 27/11/2021 22:04

Shit.

Please get married if you can.
I actually feel a bit sick for you, I hope it works out ok.

Embracelife · 27/11/2021 22:08

Who pays for your dc with your ex?

Pinetreesfall · 27/11/2021 22:24

Oh gosh! Go back to work and at least get a bit of financial independence! Claim childcare costs either through UC or tax free.
Having allowed myself to be used as a bit of a career ladder by my ex husband (although always kept working) I'm saddened to see someone in this position.
He could tell you to leave tomorrow and you've got nothing.

NoKandoo · 27/11/2021 22:26

OP, I can see why you don't want to get a job (I didn't, either). But you haven't set up a family unit with this man. You and your children are one separate entity in law, he is another, and your shared child is somewhere in the middle. So long as you are not married, you are not a unit. The one thing that saved my bacon when my husband and I split up (and we loved each other! We were never going to split up! Nothing could ever separate us! Until it did) was the fact that we were married. Were it not for this, my ex would have screwed every penny out of our relationship (and I would not have believed this possible of him 30 years ago).

KirkstallAbbess · 27/11/2021 23:20

I won’t be getting a job just so I can save up and pack my bags

But @EnglishMuffins what about your pension?

DrSbaitso · 28/11/2021 07:09

Why did you sell your car?

Why did you decide to stop working at the same time as deciding to buy a bigger house?

Jessie75 · 28/11/2021 07:19

@Jarstastic
You must not remarry until a settlement has been reached with the first marriage.

Aprilx · 28/11/2021 07:28

@BurntO

If he won’t marry you get a FT job and get your name on the mortgage.
For the love of god. You realise what you have told her to do, saddle herself with a huge loan.

The deeds. You mean, get your name on the house deeds. Even better if she can do it without getting her name on the mortgage.

The financial illiteracy on mumsnet, particularly on this point, is really shocking to me.

Simonjt · 28/11/2021 07:33

@Aprilx Why do you think she should be able to live in a house for free, especially when for the last year or so she is having a man pay to raise children that aren’t even his.

PiffleWiffleWoozle · 28/11/2021 07:39

The deeds. You mean, get your name on the house deeds. Even better if she can do it without getting her name on the mortgage.

The bank will expect anyone who is on the mortgage to also be on the deeds to the house, and vice versa.

Aprilx · 28/11/2021 07:43

[quote Simonjt]@Aprilx Why do you think she should be able to live in a house for free, especially when for the last year or so she is having a man pay to raise children that aren’t even his.[/quote]
Eh? You read my point about a mortgage and house deeds being two different things which has to be the most misunderstood point on mumsnet and needs shouting from the rooftops. But somehow that is me saying that the OP should leave for free? I am not going to answer your stupid question as I have not expressed any such opinion.

Aprilx · 28/11/2021 07:45

@PiffleWiffleWoozle

The deeds. You mean, get your name on the house deeds. Even better if she can do it without getting her name on the mortgage.

The bank will expect anyone who is on the mortgage to also be on the deeds to the house, and vice versa.

Often, but not necessarily.

In any case people should still understand that they are not the same thing!

EsmeraldaFudge · 28/11/2021 07:49

I was not on the mortgage for our first property due to poor credit. On the advice of our financial advisor, DP got a mortgage in his own name and I was added to the deeds. This was 18 years ago now and I don't recall it being difficult to arrange.

DrSbaitso · 28/11/2021 08:38

I'd like to know who told OP that there was no way she could have an equal share, or indeed any share, in the house, due to her not working.

OP, like many women, you seem to think you ought to accept complete financial vulnerability and the very real risk of absolute ruin, as proof of your love and trust. It's very clear your partner won't take even a much smaller risk by combining assets so you both get a share should things go wrong. Why is this?