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AIBU to not want to be an unmarried SAHM?

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EnglishMuffins · 27/11/2021 12:49

Just wondering what people’s thoughts are on my situation.

I was married for several years and had 2 DC with my exH. I had always worked part time to be around for our young DC in a general admin job. Upon divorce , exH stayed in marital home and bought me out of my share. I took some furniture, no savings (in fact debts that needing reconciling) and no claim to his pension as he said the pot was too small to even consider sharing it 50/50 after only a few years being married.
I lived with family as I couldn’t afford to buy or rent on my PT salary, and we share custody of our DC 50/50.

Fast forward a couple of years and I met DP. He was also a divorcee. Their split was amicable, no DC involved. We bought a house together about 18 months into our relationship and soon after we unexpectedly fell pg (I said unexpectedly as there are fertility issues on both sides but a blessing all the same and we were delighted).
When our child was born we decided I would give up my job to be a full time SAHM. We also needed a bigger house so sold up and moved , but this time my name was no longer on the mortgage as my lack of income decreased our borrowing prospects. So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.

My issue is, I really thought that by now, DP would have proposed marriage. He’s not dead set against it, but he says things like “don’t do it!!” When we drive past weddings and things , and I just generally get the feeling he doesn’t see a second marriage in his future. Our child is almost 2, ive given up on my job, a career, paying into a pension, independence , I sold my little car.. have no savings or means to save , am solely reliant on DP wages . Meanwhile he is climbing the career ladder, paying into a pension, accruing savings and saving what I imagine would be a vast monthly sum in childcare costs.
AIBU to expect him to marry me? I just feel I’m in a vulnerable position, with nothing to fall back on. I want a secure future for my child and my DC from my previous marriage. I would even like to share a name with DP and our child and I guess rubber seal our family unit? So both financially, and romantically, I’d like to be married - but DP has no interest . Then part of me feels like a gold-digger for thinking he should marry me and give up 50:50 if we were to split.

What are the legal implications of not being married vs being married?
DP has a will, I don’t. DP has insurance through work that would pay off the mortgage - I guess this would be taxed? I have life insurance. No savings and a tiny pension from my PT job.

OP posts:
DaisyNGO · 27/11/2021 18:42

PS before anyone asks, the current SAH situation involves me funding myself on a break from work, I will be going back.

Jarstastic · 27/11/2021 18:44

Did you have a financial settlement with your husband? If not, you can still revisit that arrangement (but this changes if you marry or have a civil partnership).

Why not ask your partner to have an informal ceremony just you and the children at the registry office, or even just the two of you.
He may say no but you don’t know till you ask. His answer will show you where he’s at.

I can’t say if he’s trying to put you in a bad financial position deliberately as others have said. It does sound like he is fully supporting you financially as well as your joint DC and also your two older DC by another man (would you have moved to as bigger house?)

Was £25k your deposit towards the previous house in both names or the equivalent in % from the proceeds of it as presumably you made some profit on that house.

I’m unsure on the deeds and mortgage situation. I didn’t want to go on a mortgage for a house we were going to buy last year for reasons I won’t go into and the IFA said very few lenders will allow you to be on the deeds but not the mortgage. I think she only came up with one lender which had anywhere near the same interest rate as the 2 best deals she found for us and/or they wouldn’t lend the same multiple. I can’t remember exact details now. I’m interested to know which lenders people who are on the deeds but not the mortgage are with.

Beautifully4Dreamer · 27/11/2021 18:53

25k takes several years to save up if you are working & renting (I've done this)

It is not an insignificant amount of money

He doesn't NEED to marry you
He has everything he needs
Property (deposit gifted by you)
Job/pension
Partner to look after child

GreenLunchBox · 27/11/2021 18:55

So my initial lump sum I invested into our first property (from my divorce settlement) which had also grown as property prices went up in value and the mortgage was paid off (I might add that for 18 months I contributed towards the mortgage and bills) is now tied up in a house that is in DP sole name. I feel naive but he said that we’d just have to base it on “trust”.

This tells me it is a lot more than £25K because there's equity from the first house?

MissMinutes24 · 27/11/2021 18:58

@PleasantBirthday

He’s a lovely man, we have a child and have set up a blended family unit and we love each other - why would I leave him? It’s really not that simple

And yet, despite how lovely he is, he's protecting himself financially at your expense. Now, you're letting him, but I don't think taking advantage of someone is lovely. And make no mistake, that's what he's doing.

I came to say the same thing. A man that doesn't want to marry a woman he's impregnated and whose money he's used to buy a house doesn't sound that "lovely" to me.
Hippychicken1 · 27/11/2021 18:59

@ColinTheKoala
I don’t know why anyone would think you would be a witch MIL it would be very good advice to give to anyone male or female .
I said it in passing to my son when he was talking about buying a house next year but he had already thought about it and made his decision on protecting it .
Anybody putting 50-100k into a house deposit which is the amount my son will have with someone else who may not be putting in as much or they aren’t marrying is crazy if they don’t protect it
I would tell anyone the same and as long as they are aware of the possibility that they could lose everything if they don’t protect it then it’s up to them . If it was the other way around I would hope that his partner would do the same.
If I was giving my son the money I wouldn’t let him have it if he didn’t protect it initially

Comedycook · 27/11/2021 19:00

He’s a lovely man, we have a child and have set up a blended family unit and we love each other - why would I leave him?

I wouldn't leave him if I was you..not because he's great but because you'll probably be f++ked financially.

Oh and i don't think he's a lovely man...I reckon he knows exactly what he's doing...

Thehouseofmarvels · 27/11/2021 19:00

@GreenBoxLunch oh true! So it could be 50k or anything? Life savings essentially ? So wages plus 25k deposit ? I deffinately sick by the point of how many men would do this. Op has said he is lovely but how many men hand over life savings to a girlfriend ' because she is a lovely woman '?

EnglishMuffins · 27/11/2021 19:01

I suppose, from where he’s standing, he’s bought a large home big enough to accommodate me and our DC but also my 2 DC from a previous relationship, mortgaged up to his eyeballs , pays all bills etc and financially helps towards my DC who aren’t his as I’m not working. He may genuinely be none the wiser this situation isn’t sitting right with me?

OP posts:
Thehouseofmarvels · 27/11/2021 19:05

@EnglishMuffins if he is none the wiser and has no idea you have handed over what sounds like your life savings what could his reason be for not marrying you ? If he has no idea he is in a stronger position financially he should not have a problem with a trip down the registry office ? If he says no to marriage he should explain why ?

PleasantBirthday · 27/11/2021 19:05

It's odd how he hasn't managed yet to make a misstep that doesn't suit him and benefit him if he's completely blind to what he's doing.

VikingOnTheFridge · 27/11/2021 19:05

'He's' bought. If he actually thinks that, as opposed to understanding how significant your financial contribution was, there's a problem.

Thehouseofmarvels · 27/11/2021 19:07

@EnglishMuffins hopefully he has no idea and when you explain how he has ownership of most or all of the assets he will propose immediately.

Comedycook · 27/11/2021 19:09

@PleasantBirthday

It's odd how he hasn't managed yet to make a misstep that doesn't suit him and benefit him if he's completely blind to what he's doing.
Quite... hence why I think he knows exactly what he's doing
Thehouseofmarvels · 27/11/2021 19:10

He's bought... urm has he forgotten you put 25k and your paying off of the morgage on the other house in the house that he's bought. What about your contribution both financial and in domestic labour ?

caringcarer · 27/11/2021 19:13

Go back to work full time and build up your pension. Tell do you have no choice but to protect yourself as he is putting you in a very vulnerable position. You may be better off alone with 50/50 of child or you do childcare and he pays maintenance. What a bast**d he is OP.

billy1966 · 27/11/2021 19:17

@PleasantBirthday

It's odd how he hasn't managed yet to make a misstep that doesn't suit him and benefit him if he's completely blind to what he's doing.
This.

Mother of divine God OP.

I can't believe you would put yourself in such a vulnerable position.

Was your husband not turfing you out of the marital home not enough for you, with 2 children.

I feel desperately sorry for your naivety.

I have yet to come across a man who would do this.

This is so serious.

You deserve better.
Flowers

2bazookas · 27/11/2021 19:18

You've been suckered. Again.

Why do you keep making the same mistake?

Nsky · 27/11/2021 19:22

He should be giving you some money, as your own, and name on mortgage on house deeds, you will get credits for being at home ( NI)

Lucifersleeps · 27/11/2021 19:25

It’s far too late to be thinking of this. Even if your name couldn’t go on the mortgage you should have protected your share of the deposit. If he wasn’t going to have your name on the house you shouldn’t have given up your job.
You’ve effectively handed him everything you own with zero recourse, and dwindling opportunities to get back on an even keel.
If he’s worth anything he should agree to ring fence your deposit now.
You should return to work now regardless.
Never, ever depend on someone else to support you when you’re capable of supporting yourself.
Right now you’re left in a house you have no claim on, a deposit you’ve given away. And a career that will be harder and harder to return to the longer you wait.
If he won’t marry you, then what?

God women can be so stupid.

Hippychicken1 · 27/11/2021 19:26

suppose, from where he’s standing, he’s bought a large home big enough to accommodate me and our DC but also my 2 DC from a previous relationship, mortgaged up to his eyeballs , pays all bills etc and financially helps towards my DC who aren’t his as I’m not working. He may genuinely be none the wiser this situation isn’t sitting right with me?

But everything you have wrote benefits him
It’s HIS house that he’s paying the bills on
His investment - its not yours

You look after his child so he can work and gain pensions and promotions at no real cost to him as he would have to pay to live somewhere even if it’s not in a big house .

And he did it with a large chunk of your money
Talk to him about either getting married or going on the deeds
If he won’t talk about it or puts it off saying that we can do it later then you will know exactly where you stand

Missmissmiiiiiiiiisss · 27/11/2021 19:27

At the very least OP (and like, Monday morning!) you need to register a charge on the house with land registry.

As you aren’t married, you would have to go to court to get anything off him. You are very vulnerable.

Would he consider a civil partnership which would give you very similar protections?

PicsInRed · 27/11/2021 19:27

OP, as you aren't working, please tell us you're at least claiming child benefit (for your national insurance contribution towards the old age pension)?

sst1234 · 27/11/2021 19:41

OP, however nice he is, why would you not want to be financially independent. Getting a job is just a way to leave a relationship, it’s about standing up on your own two feet. Right now you are living in some else’s home. Granted, he may be a great partner and dad but you have no legal relationship with with him. Getting a job and being financially independent protects you in case of relationship breakdown. It is not wise to believe that it could never happen to you just because he is a great partner now.

IcelandicCabin · 27/11/2021 19:47

don't ask on MN. It's been a few years since I did family law, but i would recommend going to see a solicitor and get some advice. get proper advice, not just speculation and opinions.

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