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AIBU?

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School detentions

423 replies

FU81 · 24/11/2021 09:49

I have a real dilemma with my daughters secondary school. She doesn’t often get detentions (in 3 years just 2) but she got kept behind after a lesson last week for 20 minutes and she was late for the lesson. my daily school run is to collect youngest from primary then collect her & her sister from secondary, drop them to my MIL about 12 miles away then onto work. My husband then collects them from his mums when he finishes work. We’ve had the same routine for last couple of years & it works well providing all the kids are on time.
The day my daughter was kept behind messed up the routine & I was ultimately late for my shift by over an hour. I complained to the school who basically said that they can pretty much detain the kids without notice & it’s too bad for the parent if they’re late for work (not their problem effectively). I explained that unfortunately life doesn’t work as simply as that & if it affects my childcare arrangements and work schedule then detentions need to happen during lunch breaks which I have no problem with. The teacher is question was very rude & just sent me cut/paste text from school policy & told me if I don’t like it maybe I should find another school that has policies that fit in with my work schedule but good luck with that. On Monday she was given a 60 minute after school detention (for tuesday) by the very teacher I’d been having these email exchanges with which seemed such a coincidence the reason being that she was late again to a lesson, she explained that she was kept by her tutor after registration for a few minutes so she was running late for a lesson, so I feel an hour is an excessive detention time for the infraction. I called the school & explained that she couldn’t attend attend after school due to our schedule so could she have it during a lunch hour and that I feel the time excessive. Yesterday I then received an email from said teacher telling me that as it was missed she now has a 90 minute detention after school tomorrow, which I have responded that she cannot attend for reasons that I have previously explained, I also explained that I work at a hospital about 40 minute drive away & I’m on a strict schedule & I cannot just turn up late for my shifts otherwise I could face a disciplinary. AIBU to fight against this, I feel the school is being unreasonable as I’m not refusing she have a detention just not after school plus I do feel the teacher has deliberately given her the detention because he doesn’t like my opinion on it.

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MrsJamPanMan · 24/11/2021 12:28

Please keep us informed as this escalates to internal exclusion, suspension and expulsion.

balkangrill · 24/11/2021 12:31

Stick up for your DD. She will forget all about detentions when she completes secondary school, but will always remember your reaction.
Just being an adult teacher doesn't mean he is right. And any adult who thinks that 14 year old child should walk for an hour in the dark in unlit rural area is highly problematic.

Sandynorm · 24/11/2021 12:32

@ColinTheKoala

The teacher is entitled to her unpaid lunch break without having to spend time with delinquent children

Delinquent? Ha ha.

Would you prefer 'miscreants'? Anyway, the point is that school staff are not required to be on the premises, let alone carry out work, during their free, unpaid time.
NeedsCharging · 24/11/2021 12:35

Please keep us informed as this escalates to internal exclusion, suspension and expulsion.

That is not always the case and it certainly wasn't with my DC.
Schools cannot just exclude/suspend children on a whim. Especially ones who are otherwise well behaved but are unable to attend detention due to outside influences.

budgiegirl · 24/11/2021 12:35

I think YABU - you must have known when your DD started secondary school that she could get an after school detention on occasions. Almost all schools do this.

I do understand that you don't want your DD walking home in the dark, but is the school in a town? Could she not find somewhere to go after school until your DH can pick her up? A friends house, or a coffee shop? It does sound like you're just making excuses if you're saying that she can't even get a taxi due to the state of your road? If you've had notice of the detention as you did on the second occasion, could she not have cycled to school that day?

You're definitely being unreasonable in saying that teachers should give up their lunch break to run the detention then. Why should they be inconvenienced just so you are not?

Going forward, I think you need to come up with a plan incase this happens again, not just complain to the school how inconvenient it is. It's supposed to be inconvenient - it's a punishment.

FU81 · 24/11/2021 12:37

Hopefully I will hear back from her tutor soon so at least I can get to the bottom of why she was late although if I’m entirely honest a few minutes is no big deal so I’m not that bothered, if it was 15/20 minutes I’d be a lot more concerned

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arethereanyleftatall · 24/11/2021 12:37

It does seem like she shouldn't have a detention here, so I would focus on that, rather than 'the only possible option is that I'm late for work' line, as that simply isn't true. You are choosing to be, by not choosing any of the other available options. The whole point of a detention (leaving aside that she probably shouldn't have one!) is to cause inconvenience so that it's not repeated.
I would have...

  1. Had my dc walk home (you're choosing not to, but fine, your choice)
  2. As you don't want to do 1, you've said you live in a village and school is in a town. So, she can walk to Costa or a library or whatever.
  3. Go to the closest friends house.
  4. Taxi (ok, difficult)
  5. Had a friend pick her up
  6. Cycle home
  7. Had dh finish early to get her (it's surely as much his problem to sort out as yours)

There are options available to you.

FU81 · 24/11/2021 12:40

Ultimately she’s not doing the detention after school so looking at ways of how to accommodate it isn’t an option, I’m too busy & it’s her punishment not mine, I think the whole situation is ridiculous quite frankly

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arethereanyleftatall · 24/11/2021 12:42

I agree re her punishment, not yours. So, if it's a taxi, she pays!

arethereanyleftatall · 24/11/2021 12:43

And good point re you're too busy. Maybe put it to her to find a solution?

Threewheeler1 · 24/11/2021 12:44

@FU81

There is no school bus available for kids within a certain area, they only provide a bus for kids outside catchment, we live in a village that falls into the school catchment so they do not provide a bus for them as they assume kids in catchment can walk even though the catchment area for school was drawn up by an idiot as it makes no sense
Same here OP. Think some people are struggling with the idea that some kids live down single track country roads with no pavement. It's not possible to walk without getting squashed for some of DS1's friends. Public transport only for my 2 as they're within catchment.
rookiemere · 24/11/2021 12:47

I'm beginning to see this from the schools pov Hmm. OP you're coming across as somewhat belligerent and unbending. I don't think anyone has said you should be late for your job, nor that the detention seems unfair on this occasion.
However it does seem sensible to work out a least bad option strategy for what should happen in future should your DD get another detention. People have provided helpful suggestions and you appear dismissive of these - you may not be helping your DDs cause at school if this is how you interact with the teachers.

Spanglemum · 24/11/2021 12:47

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation I would complain to the Head about the way you're being 'spoken to'/tone of emails. If no joy complain to Governors. They may well close ranks but if nobody says anything then nothing will change.

Doodar · 24/11/2021 12:48

Jesus, you’ve got a kid problem. No wonder schools are in the state they are with parents like you.

colourfulpuddles · 24/11/2021 12:48

YABU and I agree with the teacher that you are being difficult.

If you don’t want to do it then you have two options: ensure your daughter is well behaved so she doesn’t get them or if she does get them she sorts her own transport home.

At 14 you should not be making excuses for her.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 24/11/2021 12:50

[quote FU81]@rainbowandglitter
I work late shifts every week day, I chose this shift pattern to fit with family needs so it generally works well for us[/quote]
Defiently tackle the reason for the detention and make sure its legitimate

However I would like to ask whether the above comment from you really does work for your family now?

I can see how it works to do opposite shifts when the kids are small, but they all go to school. Then to MILs for 4 hours. Then picked up at whatever time your dh gets there and brought home.

Is that really the best solution?

thelegohooverer · 24/11/2021 12:51

I’m sure I’ll be flamed for saying this but I’m in a mood today! In your shoes I’d be considering seeking legal advice and taking a case against the school … or if that’s too much time and effort, muttering darkly about it.

Schools need to drag their arses into the 21st century.

Snoozer11 · 24/11/2021 12:52

Yet another teacher who doesn't live in the real world.

Wannakisstheteacher · 24/11/2021 12:53

But she’s been late twice. The teacher only potentially caused the second incident. Why was she late the first time? It sounds like you haven’t really got a workable schedule if the 20 minute detention caused you to be an hour late anyway. Surely you don’t have a less than 20 minute ‘fudge factor’ built in?

Fallagain · 24/11/2021 12:54

@thelegohooverer

I’m sure I’ll be flamed for saying this but I’m in a mood today! In your shoes I’d be considering seeking legal advice and taking a case against the school … or if that’s too much time and effort, muttering darkly about it.

Schools need to drag their arses into the 21st century.

Taking a case where and for what exactly? Hmm
colourfulpuddles · 24/11/2021 12:54

@thelegohooverer

I’m sure I’ll be flamed for saying this but I’m in a mood today! In your shoes I’d be considering seeking legal advice and taking a case against the school … or if that’s too much time and effort, muttering darkly about it.

Schools need to drag their arses into the 21st century.

Flamed? No. Laughed at? Yes 😂

A case against the school for what? Your daughter being unable to behave?

No wonder there are so many snowflake children with parents like these.

maddy68 · 24/11/2021 12:56

If she's old enough to get a detention she's old enough to find her own way home from school

girlmom21 · 24/11/2021 12:57

@MrsJamPanMan

Please keep us informed as this escalates to internal exclusion, suspension and expulsion.
Internal exclusion, yes. Suspension? No.
FU81 · 24/11/2021 12:58

My daughter is well behaved, I do not consider running a few minutes late for a lesson badly behaved, we’ve all done it in some capacity in our lives and it wasn’t done to be disrespectful especially if it was indeed her tutor but as I said I’m yet to confirm that. If it transpires that she is telling the truth then I will contact the head to get detention cancelled. The problem with the suggestions is that they aren’t practical; not everyone has 9-5 jobs or lives 5 minutes from local school or has great public transport links or live in towns with an array of coffee shops. A 90 minute detention is ridiculous for such a minor infraction she could make up the time she was late in a lunchbreak.

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Lavender24 · 24/11/2021 12:58

@maddy68

If she's old enough to get a detention she's old enough to find her own way home from school
In the dark on her own?