to be alarmed by vaccine passports

[Loustew12]

Am I the only person who find the proposed extension of this alarming, given what's happening in Austria, where police are out checking the unvaccinated are hiding among the vaccinated? Gibraltar has 100% vaccination rate and cases are through the roof. So clearly being vaccinated doesn't 'stop the spread'. Therefore, there is no logical or justification for segregating society. It's surely a slippery slope to go down?

@Thatsthewaytis
Why does Ireland have such a high rate?

Before the vaccine was available I knew several people who were very ill with covid, including friends who were hospitalised and in intensive care. Since people have been vaccinated I've known people catch covid but no-one has been very unwell. The vaccines work.

I have no time for unvaccinated people who may take up hospital beds needed by people with other serious illnesses. We all need to do our bit as a society.

Vaccinated people are far less likely to get sick, if they do show symptoms they clear up quicker. Intensive care units across Europe are filled with mostly unvaccinated people who typically are sicker and require longer stays, they are far more likely to die.

I'm on holiday currently, only fully vaccinated over 12's can enter the complex (3-11's must have a pcr test within 72 hours of arrival, under 3's exempt). In return for this there are very few restrictions beyond sensible mask wearing inside when not seated

Unvaccinated under 65 year olds are protected in the large majority by virtue of their age. Why haven’t people still acknowledged the fact that covid does not cause the same level of risk to all demographics? Blanket saying the unvaccinated are more likely…. doesn’t take into their health, their age, whether they’ve been previously infected etc

Those at risk have the vaccine available and as many boosters as they like. The rest dont need to be scapegoated or segregated from society.

Forcing a trial vaccine on the masses and anyone daring not to take the vaccine will lose their jobs and in some countries their liberties, it all sounds familiar no?

No it doesn’t sound familiar at all. What are you comparing it to?

It's also alarming how many people here are unable to understand simple statistics ... if 90% of a town is vaccinated and the local hospital has 40% unvaccinated patients ... who is more likely to be hospitalised??? Clue it's not the vaccinated ones! Back to maths class anti vax lot, you might learn something useful

@Lostinacloud

It’s not the green pass that’s allowing schools to be open though *@Geamhradh*, it’s the italien government, who could have looked at the science and opened schools long ago. It’s not the unvaccinated, it’s not the vaccine passports yet to be put into place or in full swing, who aren’t returning people’s normal lives, it’s the governments. And you want to give them even more direct control by locking you into a contract controlling your own bodily autonomy?

And you know all this how? Are you an expert on Italy now too?

I've got an EU pass. Everyone I know has one. We're happy to have it. Can't wait to get our boosters. Looking forward to a normal Christmas. Looking forward to our kids having an undisrupted school year.
I didn't have to have the vaccine. Nobody dragged me there. Nobody made me get DD vaccinated.
My bodily autonomy is just fine ta.

@JollyJoon

In france you cant even take a train without a pass. Do you think it's normal that an abused woman, say, would not be able to leave her home and get on a train to stay with a member of her family, because she doesnt have the pass?

What about a man who is prevented from visiting his fathers death bed?

Or what about a minor from a neglectful household who can no longer get on a bus to school?

Or an immigrant who just wants to go home but cant get on a plane back?

Because this is what we are talking about here. It's not all about who is allowed to go out for cocktails, and how you feel so much safer sitting at the bar with other people like you.

Think you just won the Whataboutery award of the day.

Unvaccinated under 65 year olds are protected in the large majority by virtue of their age. Why haven’t people still acknowledged the fact that covid does not cause the same level of risk to all demographics?

If it was your child/ parent / sibling who turned out not to be protected 'in the large' you might think differently

@PAFMO
Are you going to respond to my point?

@MarshaBradyo I said it was stupid to say cases in Ireland are high because the vaccine cert isn’t working. We have no way of knowing how high cases would be if the cert wasn’t in place so it’s a stupid point to make. For all we know without the pass the country would be back in a hard lockdown due to overwhelmed hospitals.

I would hazard a guess that cases in Ireland are very high as Ireland didn’t have a lot of immunity. There was an interesting article on Waterford which has currently one of the highest rates of covid but had the lowest rate and escaped all covid waves during lockdowns. As we all now know vaccines don’t stop you getting covid.

Also testing and extent of testing is likely important. High levels of testing are ongoing in Ireland. Maybe not the same in U.K.

There could be other reasons too. But saying oh look high cases mean vaccine certs don’t work is pure idiocy.

Do people really believe the covid pass will not be used for other purposes?

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[quote JollyJoon]@PAFMO
Are you going to respond to my point?[/quote]
If you make a relevant one.

Another reason could also be that Ireland is only now starting to use antigen tests. We’ve been very slow on that front. So I guess cases caught by weekly testing in U.K. wouldn’t be caught here and those people would be out mixing and spreading.

Bring it on. We've had the mask avoiders. Now its the vaccine avoiders.

[quote Thatsthewaytis]@MarshaBradyo I said it was stupid to say cases in Ireland are high because the vaccine cert isn’t working. We have no way of knowing how high cases would be if the cert wasn’t in place so it’s a stupid point to make. For all we know without the pass the country would be back in a hard lockdown due to overwhelmed hospitals.

I would hazard a guess that cases in Ireland are very high as Ireland didn’t have a lot of immunity. There was an interesting article on Waterford which has currently one of the highest rates of covid but had the lowest rate and escaped all covid waves during lockdowns. As we all now know vaccines don’t stop you getting covid.

Also testing and extent of testing is likely important. High levels of testing are ongoing in Ireland. Maybe not the same in U.K.

There could be other reasons too. But saying oh look high cases mean vaccine certs don’t work is pure idiocy.[/quote]
Did anyone say not working? Maybe someone else did

I just said I found the two images interesting with darker green and higher rates in some cases

It’s very hard to know what impact they have as perhaps even higher without.

I do think too that higher immunity could be part of the picture, I’m hoping it’s the case for U.K.

I’d be interested to know re testing as I thought U.K. was high

@PAFMO

The irony of someone likening showing a QR code so that they don't risk, y'know, infecting somebody else with something that might kill them to the Holocaust and then having the balls to say it's others doing the name-calling....

I agree. Utterly bizarre.

@MarshaBradyo I was responding to a poster who said Ireland was evidence covid passes don’t work. I didn’t even see this chart you posted.

I don't feel restricted by this, in fact, i like it as it gives me a certain amount of comfort to think that all the people around me are also vaccinated

This is kind of the worst, sorry. They are human beings, not disease vectors.

Of course human beings are disease vectors

+Unvaccinated under 65 year olds are protected in the large majority by virtue of their age.*

My sil 44 has been really ill. Still of work 12 weeks later ( fully vaccinated)
Bil 48, had pneumonia and coughing blood ( fully vaccinated)
Friend 38 left deaf in one ear ( fully vaccinated)
Dh’s boss 58, in hospital for 6 days ( fully vaccinated)

Under 65’s don’t get off as easily as you like to think

I have a friend who is 50, very obese, and was really unwell with Covid and now long covid. Double vaxxed; instead of assuming the vaccines don't work, my immediate thought is thank god she was vaccinated or she could well be dead by now

I do not understand the hysteria about vaccination cards/ 'passports', that latter being a really misleading term. As a child living in Africa, we all had a yellow World Health vaccination 'passport' that showed that we were up to date on life-saving vaccinations, such as Yellow Fever etc.

I'm not against the vaccine, but I don't like the idea of vaccine passports. I don't disclose my vaccination status to anyone, unless it's needed, for example in a medical setting. It doesn't bother me whether someone else isn't vaccinated, none of my business.

@BudrosBudrosGalli

I do not understand the hysteria about vaccination cards/ 'passports', that latter being a really misleading term. As a child living in Africa, we all had a yellow World Health vaccination 'passport' that showed that we were up to date on life-saving vaccinations, such as Yellow Fever etc.

Did you have to disclose your yellow fever vaccination status to go into a shop?