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His parents died 17 years ago

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SorrySadDog · 16/11/2021 13:13

I fully suspect I am being entirely unreasonable, however I am struggling to identify what is selfish (on my part) and what is potentially not. I have approached this so far from a very understanding place, I put his emotional needs first. But for some reason my patience is wearing thin!

Okay so, my other half's parents died when he was 13. He suffers from PTSD, he had a fairly shitty life after that, he lived with family who didn't really understand him and he went off the rails. He currently works for himself, and is happy with the life he is making for himself.

It seems the pain of his parents passing when he was so young has not really lessened, I am not him (obviously) so I can't really say but I think thats about right.

I make allowances for the fact that he might sometimes need to withdraw, you know, I won't pressure him to come out and be "happy" if I can see he needs time alone.

However.....I am starting to get irritated and a bit rolling my eyes and I am not sure why, or how to stop. Whether I am being entirely unreasonable or not.

Twice a year an entire month is wiped out because of the anniversaries of his parents deaths. One of those months my birthday and his mothers birthday were very close. So there is a black cloud around my birthday. The other anniversary is around my sons birthday (stepfather relationship). Christmas is off the table, he won't spend it with my family and myself and disappears. In fact he won't even put a tree up with me.

I have to be quite careful when it comes to things to do with families, like even talking about how much I love my mum for example. I wouldn't just come out and say that but I guess I mean in the context of a conversation.

He is starting another round of counselling soon.

I am worried about my reaction to things like not participating in Christmas. I love him very much but the fact that I have reached eye rolling territory is not pleasent. I don't know if this makes me a horrible person, or whether I should have compromised with him? But how do you compromise with someone who experienced trauma so young, do I even have the right to? I have no idea what I am doing, but I do not want to be unreasonable. If it is entirely fair that he opts out of family life three times a year then I will accept it, but this situation isn't one I have experience with. He is my best friend, but I don't think I can be honest with him about how I feel at this point in time. He said the other day, oh Christmas season soon. Which is almost like a warning that he's going to be withdrawn.

Thank you and I would appreciate some constructive feedback

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Orgasmagorical · 16/11/2021 13:31

What's he like on his own birthday, Sorry?

mistermagpie · 16/11/2021 13:32

I feel really sad for him. It's entirely possible it's not his parents actual deaths as such that he's mourning, but the loss of the life he could have had growing up. You say he had a shitty time of it and went off the rails, this could all be trauma in and of itself, separate from the deaths of his parents. It sounds like a hell of a lot to deal with and it's good he's getting counselling.

The fact is, people grieve differently and this is the way he's grieving. You can't really do much about it because I suppose it's driven by how he feels. So until he finds a way to feel more positive at Christmas, for example, then you are stuck where you are.

I feel sad for him but I'm not sure I could live him and you don't have to. I guess you have to figure out if this stuff is outweighing the good times you have?

Excited101 · 16/11/2021 13:32

Sounds like he could do with a lot more than ‘councilling’. Some sort of CBT or the thrive programme would be much better, something that actually remaps the thought processes rather than possibly just reliving the sorrow would be much better.

The crux of it is, does he want to feel better, does he mind ‘checking out’ for 2 months a year, and does he realise it is affecting everyone around him. I’m not sure I could put up with it op, I think it would lead to resentment, as it sounds like it already is.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 16/11/2021 13:32

He needs to see a registered psychologist /registered therapist!

It MUST be one who has extensive experience in early bereavement and trauma-so often people don't improve as the therapist isn't skilled in trauma work.

Really hope stuff is brighter for both of you soon!

ChudraWouldaShouldya · 16/11/2021 13:32

@MyCatHatesEverybody

I don't think it's fair to bring someone with unresolved issues that impact so heavily on everyone around them into your son's life.
That’s absolutely not what she asked though is it 🙄
MarieG10 · 16/11/2021 13:33

I lost both parents in a similar way to your DH...was 15. Had to rely on relatives and lived alone from 16

Does it form and shape you? Yes massively. I am totally independent person but within a loving marriage. I have never allowed myself to be vulnerable so financially I can stand alone just in case. However not had the need.

I'm extremely driven. I won't rely on anyone to help me and I deliver professionally. I'm prob lucky as well but I'm very successful professionally.

I have huge sadness over my childhood and I have massively protected my children so if it ever happened to them they are financially protected and guardians in place

But your husband...it feels a massive ongoing reaction. It's like he hasn't left it behind in any way at all and still in mourning. Perhaps Counselling but also you need to make clear to DH things need to move on. I couldn't live like it and I speak from having really traumatic experiences of deaths of both parents and grandparents within 1 year

Good luck but you may struggle

DoctorWhoTardis · 16/11/2021 13:33

I'm sorry but I know you love him but it's not fair to bring someone who has very deep unsolved issues (that probably will never be solved as they are rooted in so deep) around your child.

Cupcakeschocolate · 16/11/2021 13:34

Hpw long have you been together and how old is your son? I dont think I could let my child live through this. This sets him up with a similar outlook on life for something that has no connection to him at all. In my child hood I had 3 step dad's and they all had mental issues as did my mum. Took me a loooong time to come to terms with the fact that these things are not normal and also not my fault! Trauma sticks, it does. But you need to learn to move on, not inflict it upon others. Don't Subject your son to someone else's after trauma.

MollysDolly · 16/11/2021 13:34

The expectation of behaviour is what stood out for me. It's not Christmas. But he's already "oooh look, nearly Christmas season" in this weird sort of "get ready, you know what that means"

It sounds like he revels in the duty of it. And of course I don't mean he revels in the passing of his parents. But he's sort of become this character that must mourn so heavily, at designated times of the year, because not too, would disrespect the loss and memories of his parents. His misery shows he cares. Loud and proud.

You can't all live like this, his continued choices are to you and your child's detriment. He needs to sort himself out. And if that's genuinely not possible, you need to leave. Maybe if you did he'd actually do something about it. Maybe that will be the wake up call that he needs.

DoctorWhoTardis · 16/11/2021 13:35

That said, therapy, therapy, therapy.
I lost my three sons at birth around my eldest birthday and I had a lot of therapy so I'm not in a deep cloud around his birthday and it only lasts a week (after eldest birthday) and then it's gone. It's hard, but it's not fair on others around you to be in such a deep dark black cloud.

SorrySadDog · 16/11/2021 13:35

@FFSFFSFFS

He went through massive trauma not only of his parents dying but then having an awful time after that at a very young age. That is not something you just get over - it is burnt into your synapses and your emotions. Sounds like he is going through counselling and trying to resolve it.

I am bemused that you think your upset about my our birthday is a totally reasonable emotional response but his upset about having his life torn apart is not.

"I am struggling to identify what is selfish (on my part) and what is potentially not. "

"I have approached this so far from a very understanding place, I put his emotional needs first."

"Just to clarify, I'm talking about my gut reactions to things like my birthday - not what my head is telling me is right. I thought it best to be honest however I am prepared to be torn apart. I don't sit there sulking ITS MY BIRTHDAY or anything like that because I do think its better to look after him when hes having dark days."

Where did I say I thought me being upset was a totally reasonable response?

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Onesipmore · 16/11/2021 13:36

Hmm this is tricky. Have you ever experienced a major loss of your own? If not, its difficult to understand. I lost my mother aged 8.It was awful and I was sent away to boarding school for 10 years. I then lost my Father the day after giving birth to my first born. It was only after having children that I really began to process what I had been through. All the things I had missed out on.From basics like birthday parties, to milestones to basic parental love.It all seemed magnified once I had my own children. I am undoubtedly and noticeably more down at events such as Xmas and my kids birthdays etc. I can't help missing my parents. I would be horrified if I thought my dh was eye rolling.Its something you never get over. However I do try and minimise my own behaviour to others around this time, as its my grief not theirs. Perhaps the counselling will help him with this aspect. To be honest it doesn't matter if its 17 days or 17 years his grief is his grief.It just needs some managing.

Drinkingallthewine · 16/11/2021 13:38

@Orgasmagorical

What's he like on his own birthday, Sorry?
That's an excellent question!
Rainbowheart1 · 16/11/2021 13:39

Of course it’s hard for him, and that’s understandable, but to make everyone around you miserable and ruin Christmas every year is shit.

Yes it hurts, but you’ve got a child that loves Christmas, so as much as he probably wants too, he can’t sit around moping and being sad, he needs to get on with it for his son, then be sad and mopey when his son is not there, that’s what most parents do I thought! He need to put a brave face on for his kid.

BreathingDeep · 16/11/2021 13:39

Just a thought, but if there are particular parts of Christmas that he finds painful, could you work together to find ways to create new ways he can embrace things for you and your son?

Chipsahoy · 16/11/2021 13:40

I feel for him. I have complex ptsd and find 6 months of the year hard. However I’ve had many years of therapy. Still in it actually and I’ve found ways to embrace and enjoy those 6 months. Some moments are difficult, never whole days anymore. I love moment to moment and even during anniversaries can find joy.

He needs some trauma informed therapy. He needs to find what works for him to be able to enjoy life. Yoga and meditation work for me along side therapy.

You are not unreasonable. This is not sustainable. He needs proper help and support. It will get worse but then slowly should improve.

Ozanj · 16/11/2021 13:41

Your life revolves around him. What about your son? I don’t think he deserves to live around someone like that. You should just leave him.

SorrySadDog · 16/11/2021 13:41

@Onesipmore

Hmm this is tricky. Have you ever experienced a major loss of your own? If not, its difficult to understand. I lost my mother aged 8.It was awful and I was sent away to boarding school for 10 years. I then lost my Father the day after giving birth to my first born. It was only after having children that I really began to process what I had been through. All the things I had missed out on.From basics like birthday parties, to milestones to basic parental love.It all seemed magnified once I had my own children. I am undoubtedly and noticeably more down at events such as Xmas and my kids birthdays etc. I can't help missing my parents. I would be horrified if I thought my dh was eye rolling.Its something you never get over. However I do try and minimise my own behaviour to others around this time, as its my grief not theirs. Perhaps the counselling will help him with this aspect. To be honest it doesn't matter if its 17 days or 17 years his grief is his grief.It just needs some managing.
No I haven't experienced major loss. Grandparents etc when I was a teenager but I don't think that's comparable and I don't think I will ever be able to relate.

It has been really useful to hear from people who can relate to him where I can't. He struggles to open up and I would never push him as I don't think I am entitled to it. But it is already helping even during the short space of time since I posted.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 16/11/2021 13:42

I don’t think you should be putting your child through this. I’m very sorry for your partner but I don’t think it’s healthy for you or your son.

Your DS could grow up to be someone who associates Christmas and his birthday with gloom and sadness too, now. Do you want that?

I think your reaction is natural - as is his - and I wouldn’t want to choose a life where my year is continually being dictated by his grief.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 16/11/2021 13:43

Obviously loss affects everyone differently, but I think until he addresses what he went through and, as pp said, the loss of a life he never got, he won't 'get over it'.

Sometimes it does help to try and make happy memories around the time of the anniversaries. I have a friend who on her mum's anniversary, her whole family get together and have a sort of Christmas day type affair. No presents or anything, but everyone gets dressed up a bit, cook a giant, family roast, play games together and talk about her mum. They've made it into a positive event and find it cathartic.

FlorrieLindley · 16/11/2021 13:44

I feel more sorry for your son than your partner.

Crunchymum · 16/11/2021 13:45

He lost both of his parents at the same time? Or the same year?
(both utterly traumatic and life changing for a young child of course)

How long have you been together and how old is your DC?

It really is a no win situation, IMO. He cannot help how he feels and how he grieves (he could of course help the process along a bit with some proper therapy but it has to be his choice) and you cannot help to worry how this impinges on your life together.

Your DC needs to come first though and regardless of the reason, I don't think it is healthy modelling for your son to see your DP go off in a depression several times a year. Nor is it fair that that your DC doesn't get the full festive experience due to your DP I hope and pray you give DC a nice Christmas and go off to see your family etc as opposed to sitting at home with your DP

What would happen if you had a child of your own? Would you accept the child's father opting out of family life every time he has an anniversary?

ImUninsultable · 16/11/2021 13:45

Ask to go to a counselling session with him. Say all of this. Talk about how it is affecting your family life. Tell him your feelings that you need him to start living now because the black cloud over your home is not something you can live with.

I wouldn't say any of this outside of a counsellor's office. It is a safe space, they can help you listen to each other and work through it. And it leaves him with a choice; he can join you in living and use his counselling to get him there or he can accept that your relationship cannot last.

OneTC · 16/11/2021 13:45

What's he like on his own birthday, Sorry?

jfc

MollysDolly · 16/11/2021 13:45

Orgasmagorical

What's he like on his own birthday, Sorry?

That's an excellent question!

OP?

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