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To be fed up with people misgendering DP (not trans)

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SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 22:56

My partner is female, as am I, and we have a daughter who recently started school. DP has always had the odd person be confused about her gender, but when we got together there was a big surge in people assuming she was a man, and when DD was born, even more so. DD is nearly five now, and I still find people glance at DP and assume she's a man. I'm posting because one of the school mums - and DD goes to a tiny rural school so there are only a handful of us - has still not clocked that DP is a woman. I was at the school gate chatting and she asked about my husband, so I replied my partner's a woman, and she clearly didn't know what to say.

I find it frustrating because, if you actually bother to look at DP, you can see she's a woman. She always wears jeans or trousers (but women's jeans or trousers), and usually a shirt or a hoodie. Sometimes the shirts are from the menswear section, but the hoodies are generally Seasalt women's. Her hair is short, but so is mine, and no one ever mistakes me for a man. She wears unisex doc martens, but so do lots of women. She's all of 5'8 so not exactly a towering masculine height.

I am aware people misgender her mostly out of kneejerk, unconscious bias: they see one woman (me) and another person, and they automatically decide the other person must be a man. Or they see me and DD and decide the other person must be the dad.

But it's really starting to bother me, because DD is getting old enough to start wondering about what people say, and she is trying to understand what makes someone a man or a woman. She is getting a clear message that her mum is doing womanhood 'wrong', and that people don't think she is a woman, and she's started asking us why. I don't know what to say - and I don't know how to respond to people misgendering DP in a way that is still friendly, but does get across that it's not ok?

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cowburp · 12/11/2021 22:59

If its such a small school then everyone will know soon so don't worry too much about it. Just keep correcting them

PotteringAlong · 12/11/2021 22:59

Why wouldn’t you just politely correct them if they make a mistake?

OneEpisode · 12/11/2021 22:59

People do pattern recognition. People are used to a woman’s DP being a man, and that bias overrides what their actual eyes are telling them.
Would you like to get married? “This is my wife” is unambiguous.

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:03

@PotteringAlong

Why wouldn’t you just politely correct them if they make a mistake?
Oh, of course, I do - sorry, I thought that was clear in the OP, but I was trying to keep it brief.
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HikingforScenery · 12/11/2021 23:04

If your DP at first glance does ‘look like’a man, I’m not sure what else you can do apart from it taking time and people finding out you’re both women.

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:04

@cowburp

If its such a small school then everyone will know soon so don't worry too much about it. Just keep correcting them
Well, but that's what surprised me! You would think people would know by now - I mean, I know all the other parents' names, so do most of us?
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SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:05

@OneEpisode

People do pattern recognition. People are used to a woman’s DP being a man, and that bias overrides what their actual eyes are telling them. Would you like to get married? “This is my wife” is unambiguous.
YY, I think that's exactly it! They see what they expect to see, even if it doesn't really make sense.

We'd love to get married, but we're Church of England, and the Church doesn't marry gay couples.

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SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:06

@HikingforScenery

If your DP at first glance does ‘look like’a man, I’m not sure what else you can do apart from it taking time and people finding out you’re both women.
But she doesn't. I mean, it doesn't matter - if she happened to look like a man, fair play to her. But she happens to look like a woman.
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Ellextra · 12/11/2021 23:07

I get it must be tedious but just keep politely correcting them. I doubt anyone is being malicious and they'll get it eventually.

I know it's not the same but I had years of correcting the school on using my husband's surname for me until they finally got it.

LowlyTheWorm · 12/11/2021 23:08

Tell your dd that some people are a bit silly and think all females are girly girls with long hair and dresses. And base their judgements on looks and first impressions.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 12/11/2021 23:10

We'd love to get married, but we're Church of England, and the Church doesn't marry gay couples

Just because you are cofe doesnt mean you cant have a civil service.

HeddaGarbled · 12/11/2021 23:10

This is interesting. Why is it your partner people think is a man and not you?

Mammyloveswine · 12/11/2021 23:10

@SarahAndQuack I think because in your op you stated people have mistook her for a man before...

Just correct people.. it can't be helped if she looks ambiguous... how does it make her feel?

TrollsAreSaddos · 12/11/2021 23:10

Does it bother your partner? Do you think people are doing it on purpose to annoy you or your partner or because they think she might’ve be trans and they are trying to say the right thing.

If it’s a tiny school then hopefully it won’t be a problem with school Mums and Dads.
I’d have thought in the first instance you just need to correct them but that there is no reason to let them know ‘it’s not ok’. I’d imagine 99.9% of people would be happy to corrected and would refer to your partner as a female in future. It be a different matter if they continued to call her a man. Then you should definitely let them know if not ok.
Good luck. I hope it isn’t a problem in the future.

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:11

@Ellextra

I get it must be tedious but just keep politely correcting them. I doubt anyone is being malicious and they'll get it eventually.

I know it's not the same but I had years of correcting the school on using my husband's surname for me until they finally got it.

No, I don't think it's in the least malicious. And yes, it's definitely like the surname thing - the issue, though, is DD being bothered about it. She went through a stage of insisting one of us was 'the dad' and this really doesn't help.
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SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:12

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

We'd love to get married, but we're Church of England, and the Church doesn't marry gay couples

Just because you are cofe doesnt mean you cant have a civil service.

Yes, but we're C of E, so we'd like to get married in Church.
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BrilliantBetty · 12/11/2021 23:12

They probably think she wants to be referred to as a man if she is wearing men's clothing or unisex and has short hair, looks masculine.

Dammed if they do damned if they don't!!

How are they to know she's not trans if she looks ambiguous.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2021 23:13

DD is getting old enough to start wondering about what people say, and she is trying to understand what makes someone a man or a woman.
Presumably your DD knows you're both women because you're female? Children of this age can pretty readily understand that grownups aren't infallible.

It's a shame you can't get married in your church - just a thought but I think the URC which is a pretty mainstream if small denomination does marry gay couples, might be worth considering/checking out.

FOJN · 12/11/2021 23:13

Is it possible they see you together and think your partner is a friend and because you have a child they assume there must be a man somewhere and that is who they are referring to? It's the only thing that makes any logical sense even though the assumption is irritating.

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:14

@HeddaGarbled

This is interesting. Why is it your partner people think is a man and not you?
I think because I am quite stereotypically feminine - I wear dresses; I don't own jeans or trousers and haven't for years. If you just glanced at us as a family group, out of the corner of your eye, you'd see a person in a dress and a child and a person in trousers - and I think for some people, that's all it takes.
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MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry · 12/11/2021 23:14

Doesn’t your DP ever talk or interact with the other parents? Surely it would be immediately obvious she was female if they heard her speak?

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:18

[quote Mammyloveswine]@SarahAndQuack I think because in your op you stated people have mistook her for a man before...

Just correct people.. it can't be helped if she looks ambiguous... how does it make her feel? [/quote]
It makes her feel upset. She's been mistaken for a man when she was breastfeeding DD in a cafe - it's not about what people see or how she looks, but about the way two women with a child look. In that situation the waitress had seen me come in holding DD, and in her mind, she'd clocked the baby and the mum, so the other person must be a dad .

DP makes a good attempt at finding it funny, and we talk about it lots, but it obviously hurts. I don't honestly know what else she could do. If she's on her own, people see she's a woman.

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SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:19

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

Doesn’t your DP ever talk or interact with the other parents? Surely it would be immediately obvious she was female if they heard her speak?
No, you'd think so, but it isn't. This is something that surprised us both - DP has a higher voice than I do (and my voice isn't unusually deep for a woman).
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2319inprogress · 12/11/2021 23:19

Humans, particularly females, can accurately identify the sex of other people nearly all the time so I would assume that people think that your partner wishes to be perceived as male & are trying to get it "right".

Unless this is when she's not actually there in which case I would think people are forgetting who you/she is & defaulting to assuming that you have a male partner.

SarahAndQuack · 12/11/2021 23:20

@BrilliantBetty

They probably think she wants to be referred to as a man if she is wearing men's clothing or unisex and has short hair, looks masculine.

Dammed if they do damned if they don't!!

How are they to know she's not trans if she looks ambiguous.

But she mostly doesn't wear men's clothing, as I said.
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