Alice Evans on Lorraine

[Creamcrackersandricecakes]

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

And what about him?

He had no moral obligation to stay married to someone he no longer loved. He told her the marriage was over. Acted quick and clean. No shilly shallying. Then many months (was it actually over a year later) later put up a single post mentioning his new relationship. Very circumspect. People are allowed to fall out of love and walk away from relationships, even when children are involved. It's the manner in which you walk away that is key.

He hasn't exposed his children to social media scrutiny. Or thrown epic on-line tantrums. Or verbally abused and stalked the totally innocent colleagues of his ex wife.

@Grapewrath

Called out on saying his new gf gave him a reason to smile, despite having two children at home, for a start.

He's saying his new girlfriend gave him a reason to smile. He didn't say she gave him the only reason to smile.

On the one hand, I do agree it’s refreshing to see someone speaking out about this age old cliche of a man leaving for a younger, still fertile model and capturing the unfairness of this.But rationally it would probably be better to leave some time and space. Alice clearly isn’t in a calm and rational state and may later regret what she’s doing. Particularly as the world at large has no idea of exactly what happened, when or why and never will.

I know what he said, but given the delicate state of his ex wife and the fact she’s caring for his kids he should’ve kept his new relationship off social media. I think she’s right to be fucked off with the oicture and comment, particularly if what she alleges is true in that the children didn’t know about her.
I feel so sad for her, but I also feel worried for her kids to be amidst this whole shit storm. They mystery be really worried about their Mum. I hope she has support and actually maybe Dad should step in and look after his own kids at this point because AE is not ok

@Grapewrath

Called out on saying his new gf gave him a reason to smile, despite having two children at home, for a start.

You are going to be calling out most of the world.

People give us reasons to smile for different reasons in different contexts.

Endlessly scrutinising the comment for intent and then applying your own bias is just adding to the SM pile on that you claim is harming the children. Ignoring the fact you are doing or excusing it because you have speculated what he meant.

I very much doubt that keeping his new relationship off social media would have made a blind bit of difference. I think even if he'd told AE privately that he was in a new relationship, she would have reacted exactly the same way.

Imo he knows she’s not ok, anyone else would know that adding a social media post is likely to throw fuel on the fire. Seems a strange decision to make, given the circumstances and the fact his children are in her care. He should have thought better of the picture and the comment imo.
I think she was justified in calling the picture and comment out ( assuming her version of events in that he didn’t tell the kids is correct)
Still don’t understand why he hasn’t stepped on to take care of his kids when she’s clearly on the middle of a breakdown. I think that should take priority over his new gf and job.
I’m not justifying AE because she’s clearly not ok at the minute but the works is watching her unravel and/or saying how insane she is, but nobody is asking where iG is in terms of his kids.

@LemonTT the whole of this thread would be damaging to the children - whether people are criticising their father or their mother.

And if he went and took the children from Mum's care , you can just imagine the outcry!

I've just read that the eldest daughter follows him on IG and didn't know he was seeing BW.

Great way to tell your kids you are in a new relationship

[quote Thesummeriwas16]@LemonTT the whole of this thread would be damaging to the children - whether people are criticising their father or their mother.[/quote]
Yes. That’s what I meant. People on here are doing the same thing to the children that they are accusing the parents of doing. Without the excuse of being in pain or in love. It’s the worse form of gossip.

By all means debate the issues but do it objectively and without the obvious bias and referencing the children who in this case aren’t anonymous and can Google like the rest of us.

@SpookyScarySkeletons

I've just read that the eldest daughter follows him on IG and didn't know he was seeing BW.

Great way to tell your kids you are in a new relationship

According to whom?

Her twitter is like watching a car crash in slow motion

And her Instagram. She's fuelled by her followers, who will move on and leave her when the next big celebrity story comes along. And possibly fuelled by too much alcohol too.

@Iamdobby63
According to Alice.

He hasn't exposed his children to social media scrutiny. Or thrown epic on-line tantrums. Or verbally abused and stalked the totally innocent colleagues of his ex wife.

Imagine if he had. He wouldn’t be being defended on here the way Alice has been.

@SpookyScarySkeletons All we know right now is everything Alice wants to share. Side note, I find it odd that his daughter would ask him if he had a lover.

Thanks for your side note @Iamdobby63

I don't think it was suggested anywhere that his 12 year old daughter would ask about her fathers relationship status.

However would it not have been appropriate for him to speak to them about it before he posted it on social media? Rather than them finding out from an instagram post?

@Grapewrath

Imo he knows she’s not ok, anyone else would know that adding a social media post is likely to throw fuel on the fire. Seems a strange decision to make, given the circumstances and the fact his children are in her care. He should have thought better of the picture and the comment imo. I think she was justified in calling the picture and comment out ( assuming her version of events in that he didn’t tell the kids is correct) Still don’t understand why he hasn’t stepped on to take care of his kids when she’s clearly on the middle of a breakdown. I think that should take priority over his new gf and job. I’m not justifying AE because she’s clearly not ok at the minute but the works is watching her unravel and/or saying how insane she is, but nobody is asking where iG is in terms of his kids.

I agree with this. After 20 years he has to have known that his year-long silent treatment would unhinge her, and that his Instagram post would toss fuel on the fire. Yet he chose to do both anyway. In addition to absenting himself for most of the pandemic, knowing she would be isolated and unstable.

He's not a nice person. And sorry but having chosen to be a father, his love life needs to take a back burner till the kids are older and in a less precarious situation. He should be begging for and accepting any LA-based job he can get, in order to be near the daughters. Particularly as there is no extended family available.

I wonder why AE and the girls never went with him to Australia and other shooting locations. Probably some claptrap about keeping kids in school. In hindsight maybe traveling together and homeschooling would have kept the marriage together.

@peaceanddove

And what about him?

He had no moral obligation to stay married to someone he no longer loved. He told her the marriage was over. Acted quick and clean. No shilly shallying. Then many months (was it actually over a year later) later put up a single post mentioning his new relationship. Very circumspect. People are allowed to fall out of love and walk away from relationships, even when children are involved. It's the manner in which you walk away that is key.

He hasn't exposed his children to social media scrutiny. Or thrown epic on-line tantrums. Or verbally abused and stalked the totally innocent colleagues of his ex wife.

He seems to have a long-standing pattern of taking jobs far away from his family. That's not admirable. And to some of us, "falling out of love" is not a good enough reason to break up the family unit while minor kids are involved.

If she's SO toxic (not saying she is, just hypothetically), why is he ok leaving the girls in her sole care with no extended family around, esp during a pandemic?

I think he just wanted younger/slimmer and to be the e-mail daddy with no dreary domestic duties. Bonus if he comes off looking like a long-suffering martyr to a batshit wife.

@KosherDill

What you are basically saying is that we should set a societal and/or legal standard that compels people to live according to the feelings and behaviour of someone they have actively chosen to leave. We should always consider how they might react and act if we try to get on with our lives.

That if communication breaks down we must continue with dialogue of any sort.

Sorry but that’s an abusers charter. I don’t see any reason to engage to with an ex about anything but managing childcare and organising finances. Which is what he has done, as evidenced by the collaborative agreement. She is not happy that they use a third party to communicate but if he has asked for that then he is entitled to it. I would support that for any man or woman.

Again so much of the opinions on here and other SM are arguing for a regression of our rights. Especially our rights as women which we need. To be able to free ourselves from destructive relationships and from control by anyone.

@LemonTT 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

Exactly. Couldn’t put it better myself.

to some of us, "falling out of love" is not a good enough reason to break up the family unit while minor kids are involved.

Gosh I feel sorry for the kids in such situations.

I was the child of two people who were very clearly not in love, yet dragged it out for years in an effort to maintain a ‘family unit’. Scarred me for life, I walked on egg shells for years watching them being consumed by bitterness and regret.

@SpookyScarySkeletons

Thanks for your side note *@Iamdobby63*

I don't think it was suggested anywhere that his 12 year old daughter would ask about her fathers relationship status.

However would it not have been appropriate for him to speak to them about it before he posted it on social media? Rather than them finding out from an instagram post?

It was in the first tweet you posted. Something about lying to his girls for two years that he didn’t have a lover.

Absolutely agree it would have been far more appropriate for him to tell the girls himself, if that’s how it happened. I also thought it was insensitive to Alice. But we don’t know everything from behind the scenes.

@Iamdobby63 I haven't posted any tweets???

@KosherDill

When they were married they both agreed and were agents in the decision on where and how they lived. It’s has consequences for both of them. But they should own their decision and whilst that might involve regret it cannot involve blame.

And it would be disastrous if he now tried to interfere or change the Co parenting agreement. There is no known issue about harm or neglect. If there were, then he or social services would take legal action. It wouldn’t involve him just turning up for a confrontation with her.