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Alice Evans on Lorraine

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Creamcrackersandricecakes · 11/11/2021 09:32

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

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Noeuf · 13/11/2021 10:34

muddybanks thank you, yes not a comment on her actual ‘value’ or attractiveness just I can see why she would be so hurt. And the posts on Insta where she does it apparently without him wanting her to etc - who knows? Might just be a joke between them, with him actually being quite happy to have his attractiveness flaunted online ‘against his will.’
I don’t agree with what she’s doing and I don’t think she will get any results she wants beyond short term but I can see how her hurt and loss is very genuine.

PiglingBlonde · 13/11/2021 10:35

There is a difference between holding men accountable and openly harassing their new partner, their new partner's employer, family and friends and all their work colleagues.

Fomomofo · 13/11/2021 10:39

Psulruddswife, I was referring to bibliomanias comment saying the wife was abusive

PaulRuddsWife · 13/11/2021 10:40

@Fomomofo

Psulruddswife, I was referring to bibliomanias comment saying the wife was abusive
I think we all got a bit mixed up there and were actually agreeing with each other 😆
Fomomofo · 13/11/2021 10:40

Piglingblonde, luckily it's not a situation I have ever found myself in or am likely to, somehow all these years, I have managed to avoid falling in love with married men with young kids

PiglingBlonde · 13/11/2021 10:45

@Fomomofo

Piglingblonde, luckily it's not a situation I have ever found myself in or am likely to, somehow all these years, I have managed to avoid falling in love with married men with young kids
Me neither, but he had already told her he wanted a divorce. The affair is all Alice's interpretation of him going public with his new girlfriend 10 months after he first said he wanted to leave.

He may have had an affair, gossip columns suggest they both have. But harassing the 'other woman' online is not the solution. Even on the relationship board it is very clear that while the other woman is not a nice human being, she owes the exW nothing.

PiglingBlonde · 13/11/2021 10:47

And even less so if Alice was wrong and it wasn't an affair. How long should a separated person wait before dating again? Is there any point at which IG would be allowed to do so?

KosherDill · 13/11/2021 10:51

@PiglingBlonde

There is a difference between holding men accountable and openly harassing their new partner, their new partner's employer, family and friends and all their work colleagues.
True.

But it sounds like he's given her the silent treatment for more than a year. Basically to spare himself the aggravation of dealing with her. He had to have realized she'd find some sort of escape valve.

Fomomofo · 13/11/2021 10:51

Pigling, I guess when they're divorced, that's a good start

Fomomofo · 13/11/2021 10:53

I would never want to be the cause of someone else's pain in that way. I would steer well clear

PiglingBlonde · 13/11/2021 10:54

@Fomomofo

Pigling, I guess when they're divorced, that's a good start
But she is refusing to divorce and saying she'll drag it out as long as possible.

Personally I'd want to get rid of him and start rebuilding my life. She seems to be determined to drag it out but also destroy his career on the meantime.

KosherDill · 13/11/2021 11:00

I wonder how she expects him to support her if she destroys his career.

Bagelsandbrie · 13/11/2021 11:02

@KosherDill

I wonder how she expects him to support her if she destroys his career.
Well quite. I don’t think her live in nanny that she adores and says is like part of the family is going to be around for long if they can’t keep the same level of income!
TheLikesofMe · 13/11/2021 11:03

He left her 18 months ago. No hint of another woman. Even Alice didn't say there was another woman.

She couldn't accept it and made her hurt very public.

!8 months later, he reveals he is in a relationship.

Alice jumps on this, changing the narrative to one that says he left her because he was having an affair.

No. By her account he left her because he didn't love her any more. That's allowed.

Leaving your spouse is allowed. Finding love later is allowed.

She has-to use an old fashioned phrase-shown herself up as needy, bitter and desperate.

Most of us have been dumped at least once but how many of us have behaved like this?

Whitehat98 · 13/11/2021 11:06

@BurnedToast

I think she's behaving like someone who has lost control of someone else.its not pleasant.
Yep. Her behaviour screams 'narcissistic injury'
TheLikesofMe · 13/11/2021 11:09

I suppose he was given the advice to ignore all her insults on Social Media and she would get fed up of doing it.

Good advice usually. Except this unusual woman has ramped it up.

She has tweeted some awful things but you would look long and hard to find an example where he has done the same.

if I were her friend, I would encourage her to accept that he isn't coming back and that showing this level of bitterness helps no-one except those who are enjoying the entertainment she is providing.

Stop making a fool of yourself, Alice. Stop making yourself a circus turn for those who don't care about you. They're cheering you on because they don't want the free show to stop.

Glassofshloer · 13/11/2021 11:30

maybe we all should become more vocal and hold men accountable.

@KosherDill how is she holding him accountable, in doing what she’s doing? Really?

Glassofshloer · 13/11/2021 11:30

And accountable for what exactly?

Muddybanks · 13/11/2021 11:36

@PiglingBlonde

And even less so if Alice was wrong and it wasn't an affair. How long should a separated person wait before dating again? Is there any point at which IG would be allowed to do so?
It depends on individual circumstances which we don't know about in this case. Personally, if my DH left me now, after twenty five years plus of marriage, I wouldn't want another relationship with anyone else, ever.

We don't know the circumstances about when IG started getting serious with this other woman. Eighteen months seems quite short a time after a 20 year relationship and a fourteen year marriage and two DC. I certainly wouldn't have recovered from my theoretical break up by the eighteen month stage, but that's just me. Other people move on much quicker.

And yes, to answer other posts, one is allowed to fall out of love and leave a marriage of course, providing, imho, that both parties give one another the opportunity to do everything they can (providing relationship isn't abusive of course) to discuss and sort out the issues between them , and give the relationship and the offspring from it, the proper respect they deserve.

Slightly off the point but I once saw some talk show bod talking about meeting friends who had split up, slimmer, fitter, bubbling over with enthusiasm about new hobbies, saying that it was a shame there wasn't the space for them to do that within the original relationship as the grass isn't always greener, and the same issues tend to follow people around, whoever they are with, unless they confront them honestly. I think there is a lot of truth in that.

So I think sometimes it's impossible but other times more work could be put in to a relationship before you leave it, and if it can't be saved, each party know that they have done everything they can and the issues are clear. The couple have communicated openly before splitting, and there has been an opportunity to air grievances. Woman often feel a need to be heard in those circumstances.

Unfortunately what happens in reality is that a man closes down, despite questioning from his wife over many months about what is possibly wrong, he pretends everything is fine, and then he leaves suddenly with no communication, leaving the wife to think that it's all her fault and their entire marriage has been a lie.

And not always but more frequently than you might imagine, a few months or a year or so down the line, another , usually younger , woman emerges out of the wings. It happened to my best friend who is the loveliest, funniest, most positive and selfless person I know. So AE isn't imagining things that are beyond the realms of possibility tbh but that's just my personal opinion.

UniversalAunt · 13/11/2021 11:42

‘ I wonder how she expects him to support her if she destroys his career.’

Possibly different in California, but after the divorce surely his responsibility is to support his children, not his ex wife.

Given the feast/famine cycle of an actor’s income, IG cannot guarantee a regular smooth income stream, so some form of variation has to be accommodated.

Seemingly IG has ‘rested’ at length in the past & like all performers looking for income, he’s had to go for extensive periods to Australia & Europe for work & at the convenience of the shooting schedule. Throw in the enforced travel restrictions of Covid, there will have been strictly bound opportunities for work & family life for almost the past two years.

I have read that AE/IG were in couple therapy before the split, so there was a sizeable discontent before IG squared up to declare that he no longer was in love with AE. She said that he was different when he came back from working abroad - he’s as likely to have been seeing a therapist on his own as having an affair, possibly both. Either way or not at all, he seems to have resolved to end the marriage, & taken steps to make this happen. That he went to Europe for work after that is not entirely within his control - he can hardly dial his part in - & Covid travel restrictions cannot help communication for this family.

It really does not help AE, IG & most importantly their children to wash the dirty family linen in public, & beyond that on SM.

AE may be very hurt but she is not the ‘injured’ party.

UniversalAunt · 13/11/2021 11:44

...like many performers he’s had to go far.

Not just Australia & Europe, other locations are available.

TheLikesofMe · 13/11/2021 11:46

But @Muddybanks, he may well have tried to sit down and discuss things with her, we just don't know.

What we do know however, is that it would take a brave person to sit down and discuss anything with someone so angry as Alice. I wouldn't fancy it, would you?

And unless she has had a complete personality change, it surely isn't out of the question to think that she might always have been difficult to speak to, especially if one was delivering some bad news that she wouldn't accept.

What we know is that he has maintained a silence and she has been bad mouthing him on every medium that she can think of.

After a point, her behaviour becomes indefensible to most reasonable people.

He left her. So what? It happens. Most of us will have left someone or someone will have left us. It's an everyday tale. Luckily, most of us don't behave as Alice because we have more sense.

Muddybanks · 13/11/2021 11:54

@Glassofshloer

And accountable for what exactly?
How many men do you know who are living apart from their wife & DC? How many women do you know who are living apart from their husband & DC? Because in my circle of friends and acquaintances, admittedly mid fifties generation, it is all the men who have buggered off and all the women who have kept the home fires burning, absorbed all the rage and blame from the DC about why daddy has left, been up in the night with puking infants, put the meals on the table night after night, done the school run, taken over the DIY and the car maintenance and so on ... and some of them have done it on a shoe string too. Sorry but one weekend every fortnight often just doesn't cut it. Men shouldn't have DC if they aren't committed to being around for them for a very long time. Some dad's are great post divorce. Others, quite a few, not so much. In fact, generally speaking, there is a massive difference in the way that men and women with DC behave post divorce . And yet it's AE attracting all the vitriol of course. What about all the blokes who are barely there for their DC? That's just accepted by society as ok. Men are "allowed" their freedoms. You hear it all the time in TV dramas and news reports "father not around" like it's standard normal behaviour. But if women don't conform to type, heaven help them!
AveryGoodlay · 13/11/2021 11:57

If it was just her and him I'd think good for her.

But they have children who deserve to be protected from this. My ex cheated etc but I still had to keep it together for my son, didn't have plenty in the bank to enable me to not turn up to work every day. There were days when I wanted to get every second but I held it together for my son's sake.

Children go through enough in break ups without being privy to every detail.

Muddybanks · 13/11/2021 11:57

@TheLikesofMe

But *@Muddybanks*, he may well have tried to sit down and discuss things with her, we just don't know.

What we do know however, is that it would take a brave person to sit down and discuss anything with someone so angry as Alice. I wouldn't fancy it, would you?

And unless she has had a complete personality change, it surely isn't out of the question to think that she might always have been difficult to speak to, especially if one was delivering some bad news that she wouldn't accept.

What we know is that he has maintained a silence and she has been bad mouthing him on every medium that she can think of.

After a point, her behaviour becomes indefensible to most reasonable people.

He left her. So what? It happens. Most of us will have left someone or someone will have left us. It's an everyday tale. Luckily, most of us don't behave as Alice because we have more sense.

My point is that IG could have spoken to her before she reached this level of anger. She obviously feels deceived. She may not have felt that way if he had been more open from the start. According to AE he hadn't definitively ended it, he told her he might be around, and he might not. So she still had hope ... .