Alice Evans on Lorraine

[Creamcrackersandricecakes]

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

No, I'm saying Alice is acting abusively, and that can't be excused by saying *Oh, his behavior made her respond that way".

I’ve repeatedly said I don’t know if he had an affair or not. Even Alice is clear she doesn’t know for sure, she said on Lorraine “I am pretty sure” and “ I think”. She’s no evidence. So jist wholesale believing he did is lacking critical thought on the possibilities

My personal belief is there is no way he could end this marriage without this shit storm occurring. She’s been attacking him since he ended it. It’s only since he announced his relationship thr narrative changed to an affair. Prior to that it was all about how he told her basically he didn’t feel the same and she’d become a horrible person. To the extent she was told legally she needed to cease and desist . So she did. Then started again.

Was bored so watched the interview. Jumped out her bit about when he’s FaceTiming the kids - she pauses and adds ‘rarely’ which was a not very subtle dig. Claims she’s not attacking him then says a load of poor me stuff.
Obvious from her Insta she seems to have been quite vain, very in love with him and very proud of being on his arm. So this must be hard , to be older, plumper, and not loved by him.
She says he came home after a brief five weeks in sept 2020 and said he didn’t love her. Then a year later this photo goes up - I can see why she’d be suspicious.
Intimately she has no power. He’s the breadwinner, he’s in a new relationship. There’s no real damage she can do. People with peer or related to him and Bianca won’t care about her tweets and her support is only from others in the same situation.

@BreadPita

There are posts from women in the relationship board everyday from women who want to leave men that they are simply no longer attracted to and they are widely supported in leaving. I don't really get how this is different.

This!!!! They are practically cheered on as well. If you aren't happy leave you only live once kids adapt. All the cliches trotted out. Yet if a man does it he's beneath contempt

Sorry, I'm getting entangled in quotations. I think we're agreeing, Paul.

Apply your critical thinking skills to the evidence. There is no evidence that IG had an affair. There is plenty of evidence of Alice’s behaviour.

That's only because she has been brave enough to speak out. He hasn't said anything much. I doubt anything that is out there currently could be viewed as solid evidence.

What is more reliable is post after post on the relationships board here on Mumsnet; accounts of men following "the script". Again, only one person's side of things but the sheer volume of them does point to a pattern.

I am as entitled to my opinion just as others are entitled to theirs but I am surprised by the amount of vitriol aimed at Alice on a website that is purportedly supportive of women.

I have seen friends go through severe mental breakdowns following the disintegration of 24 year plus marriages. It's no fun to watch. And it's a very real thing. She may not be wise, but I think Alice is brave.

Bloody hell - man leaves wife and 2 young kids for another woman, wife expresses devastation, thereby proving why man had to leave cos she's nuts, I mean really, that's a low bar for an 'evidence based' argument

If she'd had applied that old adage to love her children more than she hated her ex, a lot of future hurt for them could have been avoided.

She is wallowing now and her behaviour is becoming her safe go-to position, and is in a spiral of embarrassing (for her dc) self destruction that will be hard to extricate herself from.

She needs to think of her DC and go cold turkey with stopping SM

@Muddybanks

Apply your critical thinking skills to the evidence. There is no evidence that IG had an affair. There is plenty of evidence of Alice’s behaviour.

That's only because she has been brave enough to speak out. He hasn't said anything much. I doubt anything that is out there currently could be viewed as solid evidence.

What is more reliable is post after post on the relationships board here on Mumsnet; accounts of men following "the script". Again, only one person's side of things but the sheer volume of them does point to a pattern.

I am as entitled to my opinion just as others are entitled to theirs but I am surprised by the amount of vitriol aimed at Alice on a website that is purportedly supportive of women.

I have seen friends go through severe mental breakdowns following the disintegration of 24 year plus marriages. It's no fun to watch. And it's a very real thing. She may not be wise, but I think Alice is brave.

But I don’t think as women, we should just blindly support another woman because they’re a woman… that doesn’t help anyone. I really don’t think people are seeing this as a man / woman thing. And they shouldn’t be.

Was bored so watched the interview. Jumped out her bit about when he’s FaceTiming the kids - she pauses and adds ‘rarely’ which was a not very subtle dig.

After claiming on Twitter he'd been ignoring them, so said "when he FaceTimes them, 'sometimes' uh 'rarely'...".

She stretches the truth, that's for sure.

But I don’t think as women, we should just blindly support another woman because they’re a woman… that doesn’t help anyone. I really don’t think people are seeing this as a man / woman thing. And they shouldn’t be.

👏🏼 Agreed.

So this must be hard , to be older, plumper, and not loved by him.

Wow Noeuf And you are criticising AE for "subtle" digs?

Bloody hell - man leaves wife and 2 young kids for another woman, wife expresses devastation, thereby proving why man had to leave cos she's nuts, I mean really, that's a low bar for an 'evidence based' argument

Have you read any of her tweets? It's way more than just 'expressing devastation'.

And for the people in the back: there's no evidence of him leaving her for another woman. That's one of Alice's theories after he posted a pic of them together 18 months down the line, which conveniently bypasses the need for any self reflection on Alice's part.

Also he hasn't left the kids. He's left her.

Her comments on LK were telling, something about being a smug married. 'Her old life having been 'what every woman wants''.

Telling in that she could never have envisaged wanting to be single or preferring it. She has become the sort of woman she used to pity (no man). So it's more than just a relationship breakup, it's an identity crisis.

50 ish can be a tricky age for women who don't work imo they have no power. I'm 51 and single and have been for 14 years, the odd attempt aside, and over those years my mindset has shifted from being very uncomfortably conscious that the smug marrieds were projecting pitiable-woman on to me, to years later, some of them feeling a bit discombobulated by the former-pitiable woman's better situation and the confidence that comes with that knowledge. My own income, independence, freedom, total lack of concern at not having a MAN.............

Heaven help her I hope she takes stock of all the things she does have soon. Nobody needs some bloke who doesn't want to be there. Especially not a woman with no real money worries.

But I don’t think as women, we should just blindly support another woman because they’re a woman… that doesn’t help anyone. I really don’t think people are seeing this as a man / woman thing. And they shouldn’t be.

Posters tend to do so on the relationships board. What's so different here?

She needs to put her laptop away and go to bed. She stays up most of the night tweeting about it. It’s so unhealthy

I'm not ''blindly'' supporting her.

I think her mindset is all wrong and that she's gone about everything in the worst way possible and yet I still have compassion for her and hope she figures it out before she makes herself unemployable.

The only 'grace' is that I doubt this is big news in LA.

A British couple that most Americans haven't heard of blocking and unblocking each other on twitter is not going to be as well publicised there?

And there ARE parts for older women. Yeh, not the side kick's piece, but maybe better roles. If they accept being older.

Often you'll see a situation where an actress is ten years older than her son. Like on Schitt's creek, jocelyn and mutt. but if they lean in to that and accept the roles for ''older women'' I think there are parts.

It might suit her. She might come in to her own. There's still time!

She thinks everything's over. Maybe it's only beginning.

muddybanks no I’m saying that as someone who valued her looks and her relationship it must be harder to be older, plumper and not loved by him. All of those are facts. She values her looks in a career when being young and skinny is important - she isn’t. She wants him to love her - he doesn’t. I can see why she’s so hurt and upset.

Whilst it sounds as though IG acted like a massive prick I found that interview incredibly uncomfortable.

I get that she is hurt and angry but she needs to focus her energy on her children. However hurt and confused she is her children will be feeling that too. Their dad has effectively abandoned them. And tweeting constantly and appearing in interviews saying negative things about their father is not helping! And you can guarantee their friends at school know who their parents are and know what's happening. The hate and bad feeling between the two is going to massively affect their childrens mental health.

Alice - delete twitter, delete instagram, put the laptop away and look after those children!

What she is doing actually (amongst other things) is raising Bianca's profile. I had never heard of her until now, and I can't be the only one. If Bianca is able to gain public sympathy and her profile is raised, this could lead to more work. Hardly the effect Alice Evans was aiming for.

@BruiserWoods

Her comments on LK were telling, something about being a smug married. 'Her old life having been 'what every woman wants''.

Telling in that she could never have envisaged wanting to be single or preferring it. She has become the sort of woman she used to pity (no man). So it's more than just a relationship breakup, it's an identity crisis.

50 ish can be a tricky age for women who don't work imo they have no power. I'm 51 and single and have been for 14 years, the odd attempt aside, and over those years my mindset has shifted from being very uncomfortably conscious that the smug marrieds were projecting pitiable-woman on to me, to years later, some of them feeling a bit discombobulated by the former-pitiable woman's better situation and the confidence that comes with that knowledge. My own income, independence, freedom, total lack of concern at not having a MAN.............

Heaven help her I hope she takes stock of all the things she does have soon. Nobody needs some bloke who doesn't want to be there. Especially not a woman with no real money worries.

Well said.

‘She was just trying to make it more dramatic than it was.‘

Very neat summary of AE.

A neat performance on the Lorraine show, perhaps something for her showreel.

Alas, she has shown herself in a poor light as vengeful, spiteful & a loose canon - irrespective & beyond the realms of being hurt at the end of a 20 year marriage.

Now far less likely to be auditioned/employed & confirms any rumours in the industry that she is difficult.

Fair enough Noeuf that makes sense. As does a lot of what people are saying here especially the post by Gohugatree.

Although I think the posters chiding her for not "loving" her DC enough are conveniently forgetting who spent large tracks of the DC's childhood away working and who initiated the family fracture in the first place.

Overall my position is that a lot of hurt to women caused by men's behaviour goes unheard. And women are forced in to a position where they have to be to be silent and "dignified" while inside they are seething from the unfairness of it all. He gets slaps on the back from his work mates and she gets looks of pity and no more dinner party invitations. But for once, someone is speaking out. It may be unwise and it may be to their own detriment but I can't help admiring AE for being brave about speaking up. It's uncomfortable to watch but there we are. She didn't precipitate this situation.

@Muddybanks

Fair enough Noeuf that makes sense. As does a lot of what people are saying here especially the post by Gohugatree.

Although I think the posters chiding her for not "loving" her DC enough are conveniently forgetting who spent large tracks of the DC's childhood away working and who initiated the family fracture in the first place.

Overall my position is that a lot of hurt to women caused by men's behaviour goes unheard. And women are forced in to a position where they have to be to be silent and "dignified" while inside they are seething from the unfairness of it all. He gets slaps on the back from his work mates and she gets looks of pity and no more dinner party invitations. But for once, someone is speaking out. It may be unwise and it may be to their own detriment but I can't help admiring AE for being brave about speaking up. It's uncomfortable to watch but there we are. She didn't precipitate this situation.

Exactly.

I would not behave as she does because I hate being center of attention, but maybe we all should become more vocal and hold men accountable.