Teacher filmed attacking her horse

[GrabbyAbbie]

Just seen the footage of a woman attacking a horse after a "drag hunt"
She is a primary school teacher and a member of the pony club.
Aibu to think she should lose her job over this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/09/foxhunter-filmed-slapping-and-kicking-horse-is-primary-school-teacher-15567946/amp/

Bluntness100

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@PWYP76

Hmm, so, you're all tucking into your steak while, simultaneously, being 'outraged' at someone caught being cruel to an animal..

While she's a monster, some of you get other monsters to do your work for you, so that you can have your steak on a plate!

And you can argue until the cows (or horses) come home. And you'll start getting angry and denying and minimising and attacking, but you still know.

It's embarrassing.

It’s not the same.

For those denying this happens a fair bit in the horse world, here are some critiques of the Parelli methods of training, which feature videos of the training techniques they and their disciples use.
www.whisperranch.org/rescue/no-really-can-we-stop-excusing-horse-abuse/
www.writingofriding.com/in-the-media/parelli-woes-continue/

For those who don't know, the Parellis are very popular horse trainers. People pay them to 'train' their horses. If you go in Tackroom on MN you'll see people recommending them. I warn you, the videos in the links above show things far worse than what this teacher did and all in the name of training at clinics.

So, if you're going to open this particular can of worms, and attack this woman, great. Perhaps it will help us to get at the heart of what is going on here, which is that this is quite widespread. As such, we genuinely need to debate it and tackle it. I've seen this treatment and I've seen it spread through yards. But we're not going to stop it by hounding this one particular woman for a few days and then going back to our daily lives. All this righteous indignation should be put to better use.

The fact that’s she a ‘wife and mother’ is frankly irrelevant. You can make an appeal to emotion to garner sympathy for every violent abuser, as indeed everyone has familial relationships.

@BertramLacey

For those denying this happens a fair bit in the horse world, here are some critiques of the Parelli methods of training, which feature videos of the training techniques they and their disciples use. www.whisperranch.org/rescue/no-really-can-we-stop-excusing-horse-abuse/ www.writingofriding.com/in-the-media/parelli-woes-continue/

For those who don't know, the Parellis are very popular horse trainers. People pay them to 'train' their horses. If you go in Tackroom on MN you'll see people recommending them. I warn you, the videos in the links above show things far worse than what this teacher did and all in the name of training at clinics.

So, if you're going to open this particular can of worms, and attack this woman, great. Perhaps it will help us to get at the heart of what is going on here, which is that this is quite widespread. As such, we genuinely need to debate it and tackle it. I've seen this treatment and I've seen it spread through yards. But we're not going to stop it by hounding this one particular woman for a few days and then going back to our daily lives. All this righteous indignation should be put to better use.

Parelli is weird and silly and no one I know has ever used it. Also very American. Most people I know came through Pony Club where horse welfare is an absolute priority.

@ThePriceIsNotRight

The fact that’s she a ‘wife and mother’ is frankly irrelevant. You can make an appeal to emotion to garner sympathy for every violent abuser, as indeed everyone has familial relationships.

Well of course it's not irrelevant, but clearly you'd like it to be as your blood is up.

And luckily I'm intelligent enough to despise what she did and yet not have to take that so far that I'd feel nothing if a wife and mother killed herself.

As a mother, I think how my actions will affect my children. That’s what good parents do. She has responsibility for her own decisions.

Attacking the horse in front of young children.

She has temper issues, lacks boundaries and has a cruel, vicious streak. Who in their right mind, knowing this, would now want her around children?

My sympathy is for the horse, and the children who must have been so upset.

Gross misconduct. Fuck off into the wilderness

Speaking of irrelevances, how is the height of my blood worthy of comment? For what it’s worth, and you’re clearly concerned enough to mention it, it’s within normal parameters.

As far as I’m concerned, it is irrelevant. Again, you can make an appeal to the familial relationships of every abuser: ‘oh, he may have kicked the shit out of his wife, but he’s someone’s son, and someone’s father. Don’t dare say anything bad about him, lest it makes him top himself’. Laughable.

She’s a wife and mother, so what? How does that have any bearing on her facing negative consequences for being a violent abuser?

And can we stop all the suicide talk it’s highly inappropriate and being used as a method to silence people.
Agree. A bizarre nuclear option on an otherwise interesting and thought-provoking thread.

This sort of bully ought to be nowhere near horses or any type of animal.
Let alone children.
A Mounted Police Sgt I knew said people behave like that woman because they are afraid.
Bullies are often cowards.

What I saw in her face was out of control anger.She deserves to be hounded for what she did,thank goodness it was recorded.

The Cottesmore and other hunts are livid because yet again the spotlight is on their flouting of the law and the cruelty and entitlement that ensues. .
Just to clarify ..
Hunts capture and sometime breed foxes for the hunt .
Toss live foxcubs to hounds to train them
Stop up.and trap boltholes like badger setts ( also terrier men regularly badger bait ) so foxes cant escape
Terriermen regularly attack and intimidate hunt sabs ( happens the other way too )
Hunts lay false trails and "accidentally" cross a fox and lose control of their hounds
There is a weird and attavistic bloodlust amongst many hunters, a primitive and dare I say it almost sexual thrill when being in on the kill .
I lived in a hunting community and saw all this and more at first hand, alongside 'blooding' young children with the entrails of the torn fox .
There is no vermin control aspect in this hunting, it is for pleasure pure and simple.
And massive social cachet within the community and being excluded is social death in these parts.

Perhaps this will give a new focus on banning hunting. Cruel and totally unnecessary

@Parker231

Perhaps this will give a new focus on banning hunting. Cruel and totally unnecessary

Killing foxes with a pack of hounds is already banned. Hunting is not and never will be. You can't ban groups of people meeting.

@Parker231

Perhaps this will give a new focus on banning hunting. Cruel and totally unnecessary

It’s already banned. They just always got away with doing it.

But not so much any more, the tide is turning.
More and more ‘trail hunt’ clubs are being disbanded, the NT is about to ban any trail hunting on their land, public view is more and more against it, there have been a few successful prosecutions.
All down to the brave brave work of hunt saboteurs.

@PWYP76

Hmm, so, you're all tucking into your steak while, simultaneously, being 'outraged' at someone caught being cruel to an animal..

While she's a monster, some of you get other monsters to do your work for you, so that you can have your steak on a plate!

And you can argue until the cows (or horses) come home. And you'll start getting angry and denying and minimising and attacking, but you still know.

It's embarrassing.

This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen on MM.

This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen on MM.

Deflecting?

Get outta here!

@Bluntness100

No one is suggesting that she should loose her job as punishment, what’s being said is a person who is guilty of animal abuse should not be in a position where they need to be a role model to impressionable children, when it’s likely those children will know what she is and what she’s done. It makes her position untenable. How can she tell a child they can’t kick their dog, or punch their friend, when she herself is on video punching and kicking an animal.

Her behaviour is immoral and there’s a reason that is not conducive to being a teacher.

And can we stop all the suicide talk it’s highly inappropriate and being used as a method to silence people.

I didn't realise teachers where supposed to morally beyond reproach. I know some teachers and I can tell you they are not saints - just human beings who are excellent at teaching.

In your view @Bluntness100, do you mean that a teacher can't teach if they have had an affair, had a termination ( as that is morally subjective) told a lie, broke a promise ect.. all deemed morally wrong.

I didn't know teachers had to be living saints.

And again - with you working in the legal sector I thought you would have more of an understanding of what law means.

Law and morals are not the same thing

Most people I know came through Pony Club where horse welfare is an absolute priority.

Ah yes, the Pony Club, whose members included, until yesterday, one Sarah Moulds of the Cottesmore hunt. I've taught Pony Club. I've had kids tell me not to worry that their pony doesn't jump, mummy will buy them one that does. I mean on the whole they do good work but they're not always a bastion of good welfare.

@BertramLacey

Most people I know came through Pony Club where horse welfare is an absolute priority.

Ah yes, the Pony Club, whose members included, until yesterday, one Sarah Moulds of the Cottesmore hunt. I've taught Pony Club. I've had kids tell me not to worry that their pony doesn't jump, mummy will buy them one that does. I mean on the whole they do good work but they're not always a bastion of good welfare.

Never heard anything like that and never seen any cruelty. There's no need to rubbish a perfectly fine charity with a lot of dedicated and kind volunteers.

Leicestershire police are assisting the RSPCA with its investigation.

@IntermittentParps

And can we stop all the suicide talk it’s highly inappropriate and being used as a method to silence people. Agree. A bizarre nuclear option on an otherwise interesting and thought-provoking thread.

It was brought up because posters where saying they didn't care if she killed herself because of what is inevitably going to happen to her.

The media and SM hounding people - especially women to the point they see no escape.

Is that the kind of threads that interest you?

@Parker231

Leicestershire police are assisting the RSPCA with its investigation.

I expect she'll get a fine and perhaps told not to keep horses for 12 months. The Twitterati will do the rest.

@Waitrosedarling you seem to be pretty much the only poster salivating at the thought of this ending in suicide. It’s a bit weird tbh