To despise being called ‘cis’?

[Ostryga]

I’m not ‘cis’. I’m not ‘cisgendered’. I’m literally a woman. I’ve just read a guardian article that calls women seeking IVF cisgendered.

Why????

Why????

Because the misogynists can spit on women from the heights of "wokeism."

It's awful: I am a woman, not a sub-set of my sex.

Why would I "identify" with the system of gender stereotypes which oppresses me on the basis of my sex?

I'm a woman. Not a cis woman. Anyone who called me that would be corrected.

I hate it as well OP. I am a woman. Thats it.

@uhohspaghettiohh good on you!!!! The term 'chest feeding' really makes my skin crawl, no idea why. It's just weird. It's breast feeding because the baby is feeding from the breast. The world has gone bonkers!
I almost hope someone says that to me - currently pregnant - I'll be well equipped!

@Strangeways19

Ah, I think its fine to use the pronoun cis - many people going through issues such as identity are struggling, if it helps I don't see what the issue is

Oh well as long as you're ok with it who cares what anyone else thinks.

I'm not cis. I'm a woman, I don't think I have a gender. I'm just me. Who happens to have a female body.

Cis = male invented descriptor like 'slag' or 'whore'.

No.

No need to add a word before women everyone knows what a woman is a adult female human

A trans women is a male person who identifies as a woman. A trans woman is not and never can be a female

I do think the trans community get a lot of hate for no other reason than being the newest whipping boy on the block.

Surely women not wanting to be called cis is not incompatible with women having a lot of time sympathy and understanding for transpeople. I'd have thought most women have no problem with people who are trans, especially on MN, since people have children of their own and their children might want to trans.

That doesn't mean women are ok with themselves being changed to be called cis all of a sudden without their consent, as if that doesn't matter.

I am a woman: if you call me cis/gendered you misgendering me.

@Poetrypatty another one who hasn’t read the article they’re getting all het up about. The term ‘cis’ was applied to a heterosexual couple, so yes, cis men were included.

@TattySlippers no idea. But trans man could include someone who has had gender reassignment surgery or someone who has not. So once again, in a medical setting, it can be helpful to add layers of language specificity.

And how would you tag people with wombs who don’t identify as men or women?

I am a person with a womb. I am also female. A woman. A ciswoman. I feed from my breast, which is a part of my chest.

All of those statements are true and none of them negate the other.

But they will find it very off-putting to be told that they are a mother or have breasts, because they are men

If they find it so off putting to be told they have breasts and are so wedded to the idea of being men, one does wonder why they became pregnant in the first place?

And isn't it true that there has only been one trans man who's ever given birth in the U.K?

A lot of people suspect that this has very little to do with the virtually non existent numbers of trans men who are giving birth and much more about decoupling terminology around birthing from female vocabulary. The less biologically specific we can make 'being a woman' the easier we make it for anyone to identify as one.

@Ionlydomassiveones

Female biology, and the functions thereof, is not a ‘privilege’. It’s a source of oppression and vulnerability as recognised by the Equality Act.

How misogynist, ludicrous and absurd does an ideology have to get where you have females, chastising other females for flaunting the ‘privilege’ of simply being born female? We can’t ‘identify’ out of rape, sexual harassment, sexual assault, menstural issues, birthing issues, DV, FGM, lower pay, lack of freedom from harassment on the streets, domestic slavery etc etc. These are WOMEN suffering. Because of their biology and physiology. It’s not a fucking privilege.

And it’s not about trans. It’s about recognising that women are by far, in terms of numbers, the more oppressed group, so it’s women we should be protecting and prioritising in any fundamental clash of rights.

Thank you for putting every worry, fury and thought I have into actual words.

You have explained perfectly what makes me so angry without putting anyone down. Thank you.

What offends me most about these articles appearing (and I've seen 2 this week) is the suggestion that it's oh so easy for straight couples to get IVF. What the fuck?! Anyone who has been there will tell you it isn't. It's quite insulting and shows a lack of understanding of the whole process.

@Frenchfancy

Yanbu. I don't know why everyone bends backwards not to not offend and then go on to offend a huge percentage of women.

Offend half the population rather than a small fraction of it.

@rrockett

Gender identity is an abstract construct. It's a theory. It's not a scientific fact.

I'm not cis. I have a vagina therefore I am female. That IS scientific fact.

How eloquently put, thank you!

I don't think anyone has any right to expect another group to accept the labels they impose on them from outside that group.

That is what I have certainly be told in numerous diversity workshops I have been made to attend at work. It is something I can understand.

If, and only, if it is applied to all groups. That includes respecting women's right to reject the label "cis".

As for the lesbian couple seeking IVF, is either of them infertile?

@Poetrypatty another one who hasn’t read the article they’re getting all het up about. The term ‘cis’ was applied to a heterosexual couple, so yes, cis men were included

The point being that how often do you hear people talking about cis men compared to how often you hear cis women? It's not equal

Gender identity is an abstract construct. It's a theory. It's not a scientific fact.

I'm not cis. I have a vagina therefore I am female. That IS scientific fact

I'm putting this on a placard

@RobotValkyrie

In fact, isn't that Guardian article in fact very transphobic by assuming a heterosexual couple must be cis? Could be a trans man and a trans woman. Someone should complain

I mean, that’s literally the point.

They use the term cisgendered heterosexual to delineate the very specific subset of people covered by those particular guidelines, for the very reason that just saying ‘heterosexual’ isn’t specific enough when it comes to gender-based definitions of sexuality.

Ffs. If you’re going to be outraged, at least have the decency to comprehend what you’re reading.

@Suspiciousmind20

DoctorSnortles

Trauma? Seriously?

Oh, my mistake. It sounded like you were having a little cry about it.

Thanks for the biscuit, though.

Oh, I agree. It's infuriating misogynistic nonsense.

And how would you tag people with wombs who don’t identify as men or women?

I genuinely don't understand this question

I'm a woman. Not Cis. I don't need anything in front of it. Trans women are men, so they have trans in front of it. Biological women are women. No cis required.

Ah, I think its fine to use the pronoun cis - many people going through issues such as identity are struggling, if it helps I don't see what the issue is

I never used to have any struggles with my identity. I was born female, which makes me a woman. But now, some people are trying to insist that I'm not a woman, I'm a cis-woman. They have created an issue where before there was none.

That is not my identity. I do not give anyone permission to describe me as a cis-woman. It would help me, with the current identity issues other people have caused, if those people would stop trying to take away my right to continue describing myself in the way I prefer. It's offensive.