To despise being called ‘cis’?

[Ostryga]

I’m not ‘cis’. I’m not ‘cisgendered’. I’m literally a woman. I’ve just read a guardian article that calls women seeking IVF cisgendered.

Why????

Tal45

How does the word cis make trans people feel less marginalised?

Good question. I haven’t given it much thought but assume that this is the aim? I’d like to hear from the people that came up with it to understand this more but I think it’s a very good question.

I just don’t want my knee jerk ‘I don’t like that’ feeling to go unchallenged. It must have been introduced for a good reason?

• uhohspaghettiohh

Someone asked me why I was still 'chest feeding' I wiped the floor with them! Said I was 'BREASTFEEDING' and my daughter has only just turned one!
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In real life or online? So they’re woke enough to use the new (ridiculous) buzzwords, but don’t know how daft and offensive that question is?

Answer: “she’s still hungry.”

uhohspaghettiohh

Chest feeding? What is that? Why change it? A chest can’t feed a child. Only a breast. Although certain psychotropic drugs can make men lactate

YANBU. It’s a raging pile of wank.

@LittleDandelionClock

100 million per cent YANBU. It rankles me something awful.

And don't even get me STARTED on people who have a twitter bio saying 'chocolate loving wine-drinking mum of 3, who is loving life. she/her.'

SHE fucking HER makes my blood boil.

Totally with you on this.

My work want to put she/her etc on our name badges!!

@Suspiciousmind20

I feel torn. I want to be called a woman. I identify as a woman and I don’t like that the words used to describe my gender identity are being changed.

And.

Having talked with and heard from people who are non-binary, trans etc, I can see how hard it is to be ‘othered’ and assumptions being made that don’t fit for you and make you feel marginalised.

I don’t know what the answer is really. I want the world to be a respectful and inclusive place and I don’t want the identity I’ve always had messed with.

I didn’t even know cis referred to me. I don’t even know what it means.

The reality is though - if you don’t want to be ‘othered’ then don’t deliberately other yourself . I’d say a huge % of people are easily identified as their sex which is why ‘misgendering’ is so easy to do. Even easier if you’re insisting on plural pronouns.

Humans are either male or female, the way you dress, behave, walk, talk, express yourself - that’s all personality.

Also find it offensive

It really offends me. I have a female body but a mixture of personality traits as does everyone. I do not identify as "cis" in any way. How come I get that enforced upon me when it is wrong?

@thatonehasalittlecar

But the use in this article is to make it clear that they are talking about heterosexual couples encompassing a man & a woman that were born as such.

It’s a way of differentiating between the gay / single women named in the law suit, and the people who they say get a better deal from the CCG (the hetero ‘cis’ couple).

There’s a good reason for the use of the term cis in this case, so yeah, YABU.

I don’t agree with this I’m sorry. I’m bi and at no point in my life have I (or any of my straight/gay friends) needed to ensure someone knows we are ‘cis’.

Surely you're a woman or a man or intersex or trans?

thatonehasalittlecar

But the use in this article is to make it clear that they are talking about heterosexual couples encompassing a man & a woman that were born as such.

It’s a way of differentiating between the gay / single women named in the law suit, and the people who they say get a better deal from the CCG (the hetero ‘cis’ couple).

There’s a good reason for the use of the term cis in this case.

I can see that would be helpful in that case.

@Theworldisfullofgs

It's an identity change without your consent, that's why it's offensive

Perfect! I've been looking for a short and succinct wording for any arguments I might get. Thanks.

@Suspiciousmind20

I’d guess that, as cis is the antonym of trans, ‘cis woman’ and ‘trans woman’ instead of ‘woman’ and ‘trans woman’ somehow seems fairer? Or less othering of the trans woman?

So rather than it seeming that one group is ‘better’ than the other, the language is designed to differentiate between women born as such (cis women) and women who have become such (trans women).

I guess another way would be to just use the term ‘women’.

I don't know how or why ciswomen and transwomen is considered okay whereas women and transwomen isn't.

I hate it because they are trying to water down the meaning of the word woman. I am a woman. My sex is female. I was born a woman with a female body. I am biologically a female human being. I therefore do not need to be known as ‘cis’ and find it hugely offensive. I am very guarded about my views on gender identity because of the way other women have been persecuted. However if anyone refers to me or my daughter being ‘Cis’ then I will object to it.

I am probably a relic and somehow being very offensive to say this, but I find it really hypocritical for a group of people who are fighting for their rights to be able to identify as what they choose and to find it offensive when they're not identified as such by others, to then do exactly that to another group of people.
It seems to me that everyone has the right to be known how they want to be known so they're not excluded, except women who don't want to be known as 'cis' and they get their identity dictated to them - the very thing that the group doing it are fighting against!

A woman, who like many women, doesn’t neatly fit into the daft ‘cis ’ stereotype of a woman. I’m still a bloody woman though, 100% unquestionably so.

I so agree with this. There are a myriad of ways to be a woman (and a man for that matter.) If we embrace that fact, then the vast, vast majority of these gender issues and null and void.

The whole ‘cis’ women thing is truly vomit inducing.

There are women and there are trans women. Wtf is ‘cis’ any way?!

It’s a way of differentiating between the gay / single women named in the law suit, and the people who they say get a better deal from the CCG (the hetero ‘cis’ couple).

Why can't they use hetero in that case?

Agree with Tal45. Women and transwomen. Cis is a male construct. Refuse it as a label

YANBU

it's offensive, it's insulting and it's just wrong

women are women
transwomen are men. they are not women.

"no" is a complete sentence.
"woman" is a complete word.

Article also refers to "people with wombs".

Gosh, if only the English language had come up with a name for that.

Couldn’t care less & still not sure why people do reading the comments.

Cis, non cis… not bothered. And what a privilege that is.

@Ostryga

You might not need anyone to know if you’re cis or trans in everyday life, but perhaps you would need this distinction if you were bringing forth a lawsuit based on a specific way you were treated because of your sexuality / gender etc.

Honestly don’t see the problem here - it’s shorthand for ‘heterosexual couples where both identify as the gender that corresponds to their birth sex’.