To despise being called ‘cis’?

[Ostryga]

I’m not ‘cis’. I’m not ‘cisgendered’. I’m literally a woman. I’ve just read a guardian article that calls women seeking IVF cisgendered.

Why????

@TattySlippers

Some ‘people with wombs’ don’t want to be called ‘women’, they identify as men, but have the wrong shaped bodies

Transmen then. Do they have a problem being referred to as “transmen”?

Does anyone prefer being called a body part?

Women or trans men, it’s reductive and unwarranted

Some ‘people with wombs’ don’t want to be called ‘women’, they identify as men, but have the wrong shaped bodies.

It really doesn't matter how they 'identify', the biological fact of the matter is they can't change sex. And there is absolutely nothing transphobic about stating that fact.

As for gender, we'd all be much better served relaxing our ideas about what's 'normal' gender presentation. You can be a woman anyway you like, just as you can be a man.

That then makes me wonder if I’m holding on to the power

What a load of shit. This is all such a load of shit.

@HollowTalk

I don't know how or why ciswomen and transwomen is considered okay whereas women and transwomen isn't.

Because then the statement "transwomen are women" makes no sense.

For it to make sense they've needed to make "woman" an umbrella term, with two different categories within it: ciswomen are women, and transwomen are women. (Same for men.)

wrong shaped bodies

now that I can identify with!
I definitely have the wrong shape, I'm quite Mr Daydream-esque.

I'd much prefer to have Sofia Vargas' body shape.

In fact, isn't that Guardian article in fact very transphobic by assuming a heterosexual couple must be cis? Could be a trans man and a trans woman. Someone should complain

I find it really hypocritical for a group of people who are fighting for their rights to be able to identify as what they choose and to find it offensive when they're not identified as such by others, to then do exactly that to another group of people
Thank you for this Maverickess.

The arrogance of those telling women that we will now be called cis women, what we may speak about, which parts of our bodies we may not mention (looking at you Keir Starmer ) and who will be given access to our undressed bodies regardless of our feelings.

The word woman is taken - by women.

If anyone tells me that I’m cis because I identify as female I tell them that sometimes I fucking hate being female. There are days when I’d bloody love to be a man. To walk down the dark lonely streets of our city at night unafraid. To not have periods. To not be judged by my looks and how I’m aging. To not be facing down menopause in a few years. And all the other SHIT I didn’t choose that comes with being a woman.

Fuck right off with your ‘identifies as female’ shit, like we’d all choose this if there was a choice. But there isn’t. You cannot choose your sex and I did not choose mine.

Agreed

Ah, I think its fine to use the pronoun cis - many people going through issues such as identity are struggling, if it helps I don't see what the issue is

“Newwallpaint

Couldn't care less tbh.

Isn't there a whole section of the site for topics like this?“

The topic is non less than women as a protected class ( woman: adult human female. 51% of the human race) and the whole site is for women.

I see posters have already popped into to tell women where they can discuss these things, they're no doubt reporting the thread as I type and this will be moved to the naughty step.

The men have told you how you will be referred to and it's bigoted of you to object. You are responsible for "othering" others by thinking you have the right to choose the language you use to describe yourself. Now be kind and STFU.

The progressive perspective in 2021, what a time to be alive.

DoctorSnortles

That then makes me wonder if I’m holding on to the power

What a load of shit. This is all such a load of shit.

How nice of you to label my internal thought process in this way.

Men and Women. The end.

@ScrollingLeaves do you really think parroting 'adult human female' at people who don't share all your views will help change people's minds?

@Suspiciousmind20

DoctorSnortles

That then makes me wonder if I’m holding on to the power

What a load of shit. This is all such a load of shit.

How nice of you to label my internal thought process in this way.

If you kept it as an internal thought process you wouldn’t have the trauma of someone telling you you’re talking shit.

Hope that helps going forward.

@ScrollingLeaves

“thatonehasalittlecar

But the use in this article is to make it clear that they are talking about heterosexual couples encompassing a man & a woman that were born as such.

It’s a way of differentiating between the gay / single women named in the law suit, and the people who they say get a better deal from the CCG (the hetero ‘cis’ couple).

There’s a good reason for the use of the term cis in this case, so yeah, YABU.“

A heterosexual couple is by definition a biological man and a biological woman.

A lesbian couple means two biological women together.

There is no reason at all for ‘cis’.

This is to accommodate females who identify as men. The justification is that biology means that they can gestate a child in their uterus, give birth, feed the child, so they need to be joined in to communications about these things. But they will find it very off-putting to be told that they are a mother or have breasts, because they are men. So the terminology of uterus-havers and chestfeeding has emerged to accommodate them. It's not to do with (cis-) men or transwomen, it's an entirely female thing (apparently).

@ShirleyPhallus

Yes, I agree. I really fundamentally disagree being labelled as the opposite to a trans person. There is a word that means “not trans woman”. That word is “woman”.

Funny how everyone is asked to respect pronouns / TWAW but the same respect isn’t given to stopping using the word cis

Yes this.

@ScrollingLeaves

Some definitions of ‘heterosexual’ are based on sex, some are based on gender. You take it to be biological, so see ‘cis’ as extraneous, those who consider it to be a gender-based definition would benefit from the extra info ‘cis’ conveys.

@RobotValkyrie

But if you take the definition of heterosexual to be gender based instead of sex based (which some do), then you could feasibly end up with a situation where a trans woman & biological man were a couple. This wouldn’t work so well for natural conception, so they would fall outside the specific group the article was referring to. I do agree with you about it not mattering at all how people identify, so perhaps ‘biological’ should be the term used.

I dunno. But I do know that dismissing trans women as ‘blokes in dresses’ or trans men as ‘women with moustaches’ or whatever the fuck, is really horrible.

I do think the trans community get a lot of hate for no other reason than being the newest whipping boy on the block. That said I agree I can't stand the term 'cis'.

@FOJN

I see posters have already popped into to tell women where they can discuss these things, they're no doubt reporting the thread as I type and this will be moved to the naughty step.

The men have told you how you will be referred to and it's bigoted of you to object. You are responsible for "othering" others by thinking you have the right to choose the language you use to describe yourself. Now be kind and STFU.

The progressive perspective in 2021, what a time to be alive.

@FOJN

tedious innit

there's no splaining like transplaining

YANBU

I hate it

Sat here wondering what power I hold compared to a transwoman ...

Does anyone prefer being called a body part?
Women or trans men, it’s reductive and unwarranted

Women are women. Men are men. Transwomen are men who want to be women. Transmen are women who want to be men. The prefix “trans” is enough. There is no need for CIS. Woman will do to describe a woman who identifies as her birth sex. Nobody should be described as a body part.

DoctorSnortles

Trauma? Seriously?