If we had a General Election now ...

[Dancerinthedark01]

Who would vote Tory and why?

I guess my POV is that generally someone can't help being thick. But to have all that education and qualifications and still say such ignorant things is shocking.

@Acheyknees

I'd vote Labour if we still had the likes of Brown, Straw, Harman and Miliband on the front bench. But sadly we don't, we have the likes of whiny Ashworth, Nandy and Raynor. I can't see Labour getting in for a while....

Ed Miliband is the Shadow Minister for Business Energy and Industrial Strategy.

David was the one I was thinking of.

NotPersephone:

But also to call Brexiters “nazi’s” and then to double down with “actually worse than nazi’s” is just so downright hateful, pig-ignorant and ridiculous

Also NotPersephone:

the thread's resident Stalin fangirl.

This is, mostly, an interesting thread that delineates some of the party political dilemmas circulating right now. I come here for these discussions, and enjoy the debate. But nothing and no one emerges well when people resort to name calling. We all understand that there have been very heartfelt and passionate pleas in favour of one's preferred political tribe in the last five years, and mostly with good reason because these are important arguments about the nature of the society in which we live and want to live. But to stoop to dubbing Tories Nazi or Labour Stalinist is to revert to the politics of the Cold War. The Tories are not aiming to ethnically cleanse Britain of POC, and I don't think Labour want to eliminate the kulaks, or emulate the CCP's Hundred Flowers or Cultural Revolution.

We are having a discussion, sometimes heated, about how a mature democracy balances a very complex set of demographic circumstances within social media, and we are all anonymous or thereabouts so feel feel to give our instincts full rein to gallop away.

All the people advocating a Labour split probably aren’t thinking about our FPTP electoral system. Labour already suffered defections to the SNP - splitting now would just ensure Conservatives in power for the foreseeable future due to the way our system works.

But there is a sizeable chunk of Labour voters who would like a sensible centrist party @daimbarsatemydogsbone, and some would also shift over from the Tories. Moderate and competent would get my vote, but not obsessed with gender politics and resistant to corruption would be nice.

Hyperbolic, but Stalin did actually think his detractors needed “re-education” @elodie77 just as you seemed to imply upthread when you generously enlightened the thread by so cleverly and wittily “showing up” (your words) @MarshaBradyo and gracing us all with the benefit of your glorious superior wisdom.

You just can't help yourself, can you? I don't know why I bother engaging with you, really, as I have yet to see you contribute anything of interest to the debate.

FWIW I never said anything about re-educating anyone OR implied I was particularly knowledgeable about UK politics - read my posts properly if you choose to criticise them! I said that many voters have a weak understanding of who and what (in terms of policy) they are voting for. Do you disagree with that?

OMG. If this level of debate and insults is what awaits us at the next GE, I hope there's some sort of coup by the Queen.

Bold fail.

By the way XingMing I appreciate your post above.

Not sure that there really is a perfect voting model @daimbarsatemydogsbone that will reflect and return a sensible government. FPTP is flawed but decisive; Germany is still trying to understand what government they will have three weeks after the votes are in. I think coalition politics are preferable personally, because it's a negotiation. Italy seems to stagger from crisis to catastrophe without really changing anything, so that's for the bankers to determine.

@elodie77 @NotPersephone is a wind up merchant. Doubt she even is who she says she is had to tell us hubby was a consultant don’t you know on a previous thread I won’t forget that patronising and irritating style of writing quickly.

I don't know why being a consultant should be such an issue. It's personalising a discussion topic. And I think it should be disregarded. I know lots of doctors, some are consultants and some are retired GPs. Some are fiends, many I know personally, and others I know because I am a patient. It doesn't mean they are cleverer than me, or better informed.

Some are friends... that should have read. Not many are fiends, or not since medical school.

I voted Tory last time as I couldn't vote for Jeremy Corbyn and I'm a unionist in Scotland so it was the only option in my seat.

But I think I can return to Labour now with Starmer.

I would vote for whoever stood the best chance of getting rid of the SNP. If that was Conservative, that's fine by me.

People and posters get hyper-excited on sm; don't sweat it. The topic is interesting and important.

Until Andy Burnham becomes Labour leader I will be voting Lib Dem.

Safe Tory seat but Lib Dems actually did alright last time. Hopefully more people will be thinking like me and go for it!

I will never ever vote Tory for as long as I live.