If we had a General Election now ...

[Dancerinthedark01]

Who would vote Tory and why?

It was you who gave me the idea ...

You have nicknames for people. I thought you'd be pleased 🤣

If you dish it out, you have to be prepared to take it

I didn't really think you'd got it.

Whichever candidate in my constituency has the most chance of beating the Tories. I hate them.

I’d vote Labour in an ideal world however I’d vote for whichever party was more likely to see this shower of shite out of government 😡

This thread has been...interesting but regardless of individual posters the overall impression I'm left with is that Tory voters are much more comfortable explaining what, or who, they don't like about Labour, than detailing what they do like about the present government.

Personally, while I'm largely disappointed in Labour's performance, including its leader's, I can name ideas/policies they've proposed that I strongly or broadly like the sound of, and there is no one in a prominent position I find anywhere near as loathsome as I do the entire front bench. Angela Raynor, for example, isn't my ideal deputy PM, but one ill-advised comment from her (that punched up, whatever else you think of it) is gone on and on about, while JRM basically accused the Grenfell Tower victims of being too stupid to get out quicker and that was barely mentioned. Raab doesn't know what basic words mean, the health secretary was shagging on the job in a pandemic and then the PM gaslighted us into believing he had sacked him when he'd actually refused, a damning report spells out how badly the pandemic has been handled, we have the worst rates in Europe at the moment....I could go on and on. And all people can say is Labour are unelectable and they're up for more of the same. I just don't get it and no one said anything that comes close to explaining it, not on here or on other similar threads.

I think a lot of people feel politically homeless right now and it’s like a choice between typhoid and dysentery

it’s like a choice between typhoid and dysentery

Omg - how is it?! What evidence is there that Labour would carry on with the loathsome, relentless, insulting corruption we've seen over the last two years? That they'd shame us on the world stage by going back on international treaties that they negotiated? None. We are becoming an international laughing stock and no one can tell me similar would happen if KS was PM. It just wouldn't.

If there was a centrist party, I'd probably vote for it but there isn't. A semblance of economic competence has tipped my vote in favour of the Tories in the past, but it's looking threadbare.

Several of us have said several times that a major issue is self ID and Labour intending to abolish women as a sex class. The Tories aren't. Now I haven't said I am going to vote for them, and I don't disagree on the fulsome criticism of this government at all, but the Labour supporters trying to dismiss concern over women's fundamental rights as a niche issue aren't listening. Rather like the party.

@XingMing

If there was a centrist party, I'd probably vote for it but there isn't. A semblance of economic competence has tipped my vote in favour of the Tories in the past, but it's looking threadbare.

Agree with this, And Labour tying themselves in knots over identity politics and antisemitism. I had high hopes for KS. I kept thinking that he was biding his time and would come up with the goods, but his failure to support Rosie Duffield (even if he personally disagreed with her) has lost my faith that he has any sort of backbone.

@Chipsinthewoods

I think a lot of people feel politically homeless right now and it’s like a choice between typhoid and dysentery

Yep, like I said a choice between 2 main evils. But not voting won't change anything, so you weigh it up for your particular constituency e.g. if I don't vote Conservative, the SNP win the seat and the one thing I care about as much as women's sex-based rights and free speech, is that the SNP not be given another separation referendum, just because they have never accepted (not for one minute) the original result of the 'once in a lifetime' vote. The last thing the Scottish and UK economy needs after Brexit and Covid is such economic uncertainty and unnecessary expense.

I'd vote Labour if we still had the likes of Brown, Straw, Harman and Miliband on the front bench. But sadly we don't, we have the likes of whiny Ashworth, Nandy and Raynor. I can't see Labour getting in for a while....

@Alconleigh

I agree with you. Self ID is a major issue for me, especially since this is already impacting heavily on my 2 DDs of 12 and 9. It doesn’t mean that I’ve decided to vote Tory, but it is a major concern that I would like the Labour Party to take seriously.

@coffeerevelsrock

it’s like a choice between typhoid and dysentery

Omg - how is it?! What evidence is there that Labour would carry on with the loathsome, relentless, insulting corruption we've seen over the last two years? That they'd shame us on the world stage by going back on international treaties that they negotiated? None. We are becoming an international laughing stock and no one can tell me similar would happen if KS was PM. It just wouldn't.

If you were Jewish (I am not), would you feel happy to vote Labour right now? Once you have seen a few Governments you realise how they are all as bad as each other really but some are more electable than others at any given point in time, usually depending on how united a party is and how the leader is perceived by floating voters.

David Lammy isn't thick. He is extremely privileged and has had the benefit of an excellent education. Sadly, he is wilfully ignorant and very misogynistic. IMO this is worse.

@endofagain - extremely privileged you say? What makes you think it's ok to use throw away comments like that? Do some research at least:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lammy

I was good friends with one of his tutors at university who knew him well.
To have the benefit of his education is a privilege and he has reaped the financial opportunities of that.
There is no excuse for the things he has said about women recently.

That's not at all what your message implied.

I would not vote for this Tory Party. Generally voted labour or tactically anyone but the Tories in the past

Haven’t voted labour since Browne. Although labour are getting better they have some shit shadow posts and MPs. My local labour MP is truly awful version of what elements in the Labour Party think is progressive. What I see as a political vacuum spewing out woke rhetoric.

I have always voted Labour and was a member for a long time, I helped campaign for them in 2015. I voted Tory for the first time last time partly re: self-ID etc and partly because I thought it was essential that Brexit happened, given it had been voted for. The only party whose policies I really like at the moment is the SDP -- they are growing but still tiny. They are sensible about sex and gender. Basically I am economically on the left and socially somewhat conservative. This describes the SDP too but no major party at the moment.

Oh and I'm in Starmer's constituency so it doesn't really matter what I vote anyway!