Anyone else feeling depressed about Covid?

[bluetuesdayy]

Cases, deaths and hospitalisations all rising.

Media drip feeding about pressure on the NHS and new variants.

Feel like it's Groundhog Day with this government. Surely they cannot lock us down completely again?

But what is indicating that this would be the case?

This thread is deja vu all over again .

I'm team No Lockdown.

@XenoBitch it'll be more subtle then. I.e. no vaccine then no state registration for medical professionals, no access to restaurants, cinemas, nightclubs unless you have a QR code with your vaccine status. You are correct that a compulsory vaccine would be a human rights nightmare so it will be made your choice to have it or not. Only if you don't you will be severely limiting yourself.

I'm going to have to dig deep to get scared again for a start. My dd is in year 2 and I found out yesterday in tribunal she has never ever once been baselined. No phonics screen. Nothing. So on that alone it all feels really pointless.

Kids got covid as soon as soon as restrictions was lifted. So there is no easy answers here. What ever happens happens. I cant control any of it so again, hard to worry or get upset. Hopefully the kids can catch up over the life of their education buy I really feel for last years and this years GCSE pupils.

But someone will feel passionately they need to loose more education so meh. What's the point of caring one way or another.

Im covid neutral or covid indifferent now. To save one group another goes under the bus. No one can win

I'm not sure why we think reverting to mandatory masks/face coverings will make a significant difference. In Scotland, you are still legally required to wear one and cases remain high.

No. Its only on here that it even gets a second thought. In my world, family, friends, colleagues, people barely mention it now. Everyone has fully resumed their lives, going to crowded places, theatres, nightclubs etc. I see very few masks and no distancing. Public transport in my large city is almost back to normal, few masks and no noticeable distancing there either. Many people I know have had covid, despite the vaccine and have just had cold symptoms, so there's little fear of it. People are way more concerned now about the aftermath, such as job loss following the end of furlough and backlogs for medical treatment. These things are affecting many people I know, and that does depress me.

The fear has gone. The government controlled the public's behaviour by making them terrified of this novel virus. Without this fear, they've lost public compliance. If they want to reinstate stringent rules, they'll have to generate fear again. E.g. scary new variants, more children getting seriously ill. Rising cases and hospitalisations aren't enough anymore to make people scared/willing to change their behaviours.

Alternatively, they'll achieve compliance by imposing rules such as limiting access to more places unless you wear a mask etc. So people will be forced to follow rules if they want to participate in society.

France, I believe (but might be very wrong!) have successfully achieved vaccine compliance for teens by making it mandatory to be vaccinated to attend school, and also making home schooling very difficult.

The government know that the public need to be manipulated into changing their behaviour. I'm actually very interested in seeing what new tactics they will try over the winter.

We've all had covid here and more recently the super-cold that's going around. We were all a lot more poorly with the cold than covid. My2 year old has had bronchiolitis and hospitalised. These diseases are so bad this year because of lockdown over winter last year. Same with flu etc. Speak to people who work in hospitals.
There is a huge percentage of people on hospital who aren't vaccinated.

I don't think Johnson will introduce any sort of lock down type restrictions, whatever happens. I wonder if the story about him and the missus having their kid's godmother to stay last Christmas was leaked on purpose. They knew it would piss the public off and chip away at people's willingness to adhere to any sort of rules against mixing households ever again.

Hospitals have struggled at this time of year for decades

It's not the number of cases that I find depressing, it's the people who don't wear masks, who clearly aren't exempt, because they wear them on their chin.

It just feels like another issue that has divided the country in half.

Tories vs non-Tories.

Brexit vs no Brexit.

Masks vs no masks.

I feel increasingly despondent that as a country, we're so divided on everything, all of the time. I think the reason why I feel so sad is because I don't feel the UK has a national identity anymore, let alone me.

Everything is always cleanly down the middle.

@antsinyourpantaif they do 'shortly' before Xmas, compliance would be very low.

Hopefully the shop owner and random customer are wrong! I'm worried about one in the lead up to 'save Xmas' again. And / Or one after.

I'm not sure why they thought that . AFAIK neither had any inside info just summoning what they thought would happen....

Hospitals have struggled at this time of year for decades

I thought that "winter" eg Dec-Feb was usually a critical time for hospitals, rather than autumn.
Although I imagine most health are settings have been in crisis mode for 2 years now.

I'm kind of not depressed because
I'm feeling like I know how to deal with it now.

Whereas way back I experience it all as a massive shock.

Make sense?
That sounds weird having written it down but that's how I feel.

I find restrictions more depressing than actual virus if you have lost a loved one I imagine you would feel differently.

We’re all influenced by our experience and I don’t see the point in telling others how they should be feeling.

Reading other posts I’m glad others have talked about fear factor going.

It has been a tool to get us to comply but if it drops then maybe they’ll switch tack. Who knows

I dont want anotherlockdown no but he never should have dropped masks so quickly

@MatildaIThink

I can't see there being another lockdown, or even a mask mandate, vaccines have been available for all adults for months now, children are at a risk so low they are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to school than of Covid.

The impact of all the lockdowns is far greater, schooling hugely disrupted, child developmental delays, cancer screenings misses, operations delayed, mental health problems skyrocketing, jobs lost, huge debts.

People die, some more will die of Covid this winter, but the cost of another lockdown will be greater than the cost of staying open.

That car crash risk keeps getting trotted out but it is inaccurate. It compares children under 18 who die in car crashes with children who die of covid. Both are rare, but the vast majority of children who die in car crashes are either 17-year-olds driving, often drunk, or teenagers "joyriding". More children die of covid than die of car crashes travelling to school.

We all have covid in my house. My DP is pretty ill. And my mum has to do without my visit to help her. All fully vaccinated.

No. Husband is CEV, so we’re being as careful as we”ve always been. The big unknown is our youngest who’s recently started his university course and is living away from home but visiting at weekends. He’s double jabbed too.
We’re awaiting our boosters in the next 2/8weeks (I’m younger and not CEV) and will feel more relaxed thereafter.

@DoctorSnortles

How about people wear masks and keep their bloody distance, for starters?

It’s all very well flinging oneself around about lockdowns, but if people wore masks, stopped breathing on each other and stopped pretending that Covid isn’t caught from sitting around chatting in enclosed spaces we might be able to get a handle on it.

Secondary school kids need to be back in masks, too. Case rates are insanely high in my school, thanks to the government guidelines which are basically ‘Pretend Covid doesn’t exist. Open a window, but only if no-one will get too chilly.’

Completely agree with everything you say here. But people refuse to be told, and therefore we are more likely to have to have lockdown again, when we could have avoided it if we hadn’t thrown away all the mitigation measures in order to pander to the vocal but unqualified-to-comment masses.

@TeacherMa excellently observed. You’re right, the fear has passed as time has gone on and people have caught it or know people who have and see that for most it’s not a fatal illness. So now they have to change tack and force people to comply, vaccine passports are the answer.
All so very wrong to me, I hope more people can see it this time round and not allow it.

@5128gap

No. Its only on here that it even gets a second thought. In my world, family, friends, colleagues, people barely mention it now. Everyone has fully resumed their lives, going to crowded places, theatres, nightclubs etc. I see very few masks and no distancing. Public transport in my large city is almost back to normal, few masks and no noticeable distancing there either. Many people I know have had covid, despite the vaccine and have just had cold symptoms, so there's little fear of it. People are way more concerned now about the aftermath, such as job loss following the end of furlough and backlogs for medical treatment. These things are affecting many people I know, and that does depress me.

Interesting how anecdote isn’t fact, and people’s experiences vary.

All the people I know who have caught covid recently (last few weeks) are between 35 and 50, not otherwise ill or much overweight, fit, double vaccinated, and of those, all have been at least as ill as the flu, i.e. in bed unable to get up for a week, and one even more ill. Several have caught it from their school aged children, others from social settings (one in the cinema, one in a bar).

@chocolateorangeinhaler

Why is everyone thinking going back to masks will suddenly make covid disappear?

Newsflash - it won't. Ever.

People need to be vaccinated unless there is a valid medical reason as to why they can't. The government had a public consultation on if the vaccine should be mandatory a few months ago. I wonder if the results are now in and our choice will be masks and lockdown or compulsory vaccine.

But the issue with this is the vaccine alone is not stopping the spread. You can still catch and spread the virus whether you are vaccinated or not. And I am not a vaccine skeptic.

The vaccine alone is not solving the problem, so perhaps we do need to consider a return to other measures such as mask wearing and distancing.

Our local secondary schools have all been recommended to bring back masks in communal areas and things like assemblies have moved back to single classes again.
We are in Bolton
I hope we're not going back into lockdown but masks and social distancing need to come back for everyone as far as possible

They cant afford furlough again so there will not be another lockdown I dont think. Not unless they lockdown but expect companies to still pay their staff that cant go to work which I doubt many could do.

Rates are supposedly rising here and whilst I know the odd person who has had it recently, our schools are not rife with it at all. In fact the high majority of kids getting tested are all negative. Everyone seems to be ill with something at the mo but it’s not covid!