To think that daughter wont be able to go clubbing due to tightening of age checks

[Carolinethe]

My DD is one of the youngest in her year -August baby- and so has only just turned 17.

She has several friends who are turning 18 shortly and one has already mentioned going to nightclubs etc. She gors to the pub with friends and I gather has been served alcohol before now but I dont like to probe too much.

My perception is that licensing requirements have been tightened up so its much harder to get in if you are under 18 these days. I dont want to tell her to try and blag it and have the embarassment of being turned away by a bouncer for not being old enough when all her friends will have got in. So realisticall is she fated to not going clubbing until until next year when probably the attraction will have worn off/ everyone will be going away?

In my day we were attending clubs from about 15 onwards and I had various forms of ID stating fale birthdates to make us 18+ for when we were asked. I believe now this has been clamped down on so that id is only available with proof of birthday etc so no chance of faking it.

what do others do? Or is it out of reach for her?

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I work in a school and often overhear conversations. The kids over 18 rent out their ID to similar looking kids in the year below. £20 a night or something.

Do you feel the same about pubs? And 15 and 18 films?

If it involves fake IDs - it's my job as a parent to object.

Yes I do feel the same about underage sex. Your kid doesn't become suitable for a sexual relationship at the dawning of their 16th birthday any more than they become ready for a club on their 18th. You're either a person to whom rules are open to interpretation and nuance or you're not.

@Griselda1

Be very careful of the fake id scenario.My neighbours daughter was old for her year and gave out her driving license documents to younger friends. The police confiscated the license, my neighbour goes to the station expecting the licence to just be handed back over the counter. Instead they interviewed and cautioned the daughter who was intending to study law. There can be implications and maybe she should just wait.

That's because a driving license is a legal document, a fake ID is different

What's weird is the posters who are so conservative and insular that they never went to a club

Yep and these are the parents whose kids will tell them absolutely nothing

Only us younger children in the year will understand! Watching your friends pass their driving test and get cars while I caught the bus for a year was so annoying

Plenty of that going on now - kids of 19 who still haven't managed to pass their tests due to all the cancellations due to lockdowns or isolations or not being able to get provisional licences, and kids of 17 who've sailed though the system in a few months with the right timing! It's life.

I have a March birthday so didn't particularly feel left behind or in front (and didn't pass my test until the summer after A levels anyway).

Anyway if I had a 17 year old they wouldn't be clubbing. There is a reason there are age limits (and I absolutely do think the same about underage sex. I'd raise the age of consent except that I don't think it's right to criminalise boys for having "consensual" sex with their girlfriends).

@YourFinestPantaloons

What's weird is the posters who are so conservative and insular that they never went to a club

Yep and these are the parents whose kids will tell them absolutely nothing

What is conservative or insular about not wanting to go clubbing? I did go a few times at sixth form and university, but never enjoyed it and was probably about 24 the last time I went to one. It is allowed not to like things.

@CatsArePeople

Do you feel the same about pubs? And 15 and 18 films?

If it involves fake IDs - it's my job as a parent to object.

And your teens’ job to ignore you.

I'm 31 and couldn't get into clubs until I had ID (when I was almost 19) but I didn't try to 'blag it' because I understood the law

I agree with you. My son is also an august baby and some of his friends are almost a year older than him. He’s tall and appears to look older but even then I’ve told him not to waste his time or get embarrassed by being turned away. Luckily, his friends are more interested in going for walks and playing the stupid computer games at present. I think it could be the covid effect though.

We had to borrow real IDs from older friends when I was that age.

@BergamotMouse

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I work in a school and often overhear conversations. The kids over 18 rent out their ID to similar looking kids in the year below. £20 a night or something.

This! I made a small fortune at school.

OP if she really wants to go, she'll make it happen.

My Dd's friend had her fake ID taken off her by doorstaff and it was circulated to all pubs and clubs in town.

I’m 33 and get ID’d quite often so chances are she will just have to wait until she’s 18. She can try if she wants but she’s the one who gets turned away and potentially feels embarrassed if they ID her.

Carolinethe The novelty won’t have gone off next year. As a medic who works the club scene I’ve seen some pretty awful things happen, date rape drugs and on two separate occasions 17year old die in my arms.

They’re definitely loads stricter than when I was in 6th form. I just wrote off to the NUS, gave a fake date of birth and there you have it a fake NUS card accepted anywhere. Best tenner spent ever 😂 Our town has got a very vibrant harbour where there’s loads of open air bars. DS used to just ‘save the table’ whilst the older ones went to buy drinks.

I of course never condoned such terrible behaviour 😂

@ManAlive24

Not sure why you're so keen for your daughter to go clubbing, tbh...

This. If she's too too young to do it legally she's too young to do it.

YABU for allowing your underage daughter to go clubbing. They have a minimum age for a reason

My son is a summer baby and he used his friends ID ..it worked for him .As a summer baby myself I really do understand why young people want to be included..it’s normal and definitely not a sign of rebellion.

My ds is August also so this will be an issue for him in the future I’m sure. Obviously it’s not the end of the world but going out and experiencing freedom, clubbing with your mates is a real right of passage so I understand where you’re coming from. Some real Pearl clutchers here this evening😆

Bear in mind that most places that request ID to prove your age will only accept forms of ID which are accredited by the Proof of Age Standards Scheme, i.e a passport / driving license / citizen card. There's a lot of talk here about using fake ID. If your daughter obtains a fake of one of these documents, the legal consequences could be very serious. Or if she borrows someone else's she is also implicating them.

It's essentially identity fraud, so as well as a fine of up to £5000, it would not look great on her record when applying for jobs, for example, or even when applying for visas to work abroad.

I'm 30F and an August baby. It's always been this way?!
Unless it's a dodgy club; your DD is definitely going to get ID'd and turned away. They check everyone now days.
Personally; I wouldn't want to be the one turned away and if her friends are not nice or don't notice; she'll be left outside alone.
Shes not 18 so she can't go. That's the law. Why are you soo keen for her to go in the first place?

I went out quite a lot in my late teens and early twenties (5-10 years ago) and I don’t think I’ve ever not been ID’d, so I think the chances of your daughter going clubbing are very slim. I also went out on London for my friends hen do a couple of years ago and got ID’d then too.

To be honest would you really want her going to a club that’s so lax about the law it doesn’t bother to ID people at the door?

@sHREDDIES19

My ds is August also so this will be an issue for him in the future I’m sure. Obviously it’s not the end of the world but going out and experiencing freedom, clubbing with your mates is a real right of passage so I understand where you’re coming from. Some real Pearl clutchers here this evening😆

Agree .Would rather my nearly 18 year old in a club than at the local park drinking unsupervised !

And your teens’ job to ignore you.

Good luck with that. But I bet if this was a thread about playing GTA, you lot would be clutching pearls.