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Shit. I think I have a zoom meeting with my childhood bully.

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TheRealAnnabelleBronstein · 12/10/2021 13:21

I’m not in the UK so hope this won’t be outing. Have changed details for privacy.

Imagine my name is Eleanor Smyth but I changed my name when I married and am now Eleanor Johnson. Imagine also that I’m the Head of Finance for a huge organization.

A company who sells financial services software has been contacting me for quite a while now asking for me to meet with them for a product demonstration. We’re now in a position where we’re going to stop using our existing product so doing demos with several organizations. The successful company will also be given a piece of work to prepare our related systems for integration and testing and training so there’s a project element as well as a product. The budget for the project is roughly $15m and then the product will be roughly $2m/year so it’s a big piece of work.

The Relationship Manager let me know that the call would be led by one of their sales people who he referred to as (name changed), Edwina Craig. All good and a zoom meeting was arranged.

I’ve just looked at the Zoom invite and can see that Edwina Craig is actually on there as Edwina Craig-Dyson.

Edwina Dyson was the school bully. Thoroughly unpleasant person who made my time at second level very difficult. She was so insidious. She wouldn’t physically bully but it was constant picking and awful comments. When I was in school, a classmate killed herself. I remember one day Edwina and some of her gang surrounded me after school and she basically told me that nobody liked me and everyone was upset that the other girl died and not me. Awful stuff to try and get your head around at 15. It was constant and draining snd, in hindsight, I’m just glad it all happened before social media and mobile phones so at least I could go home and get a break from it.

I finished school, moved to a city 400 miles away and haven’t thought of her since.

I googled Edwina Craig to see her LinkedIn profile picture and found one, but I can’t make out if it’s her or not- I haven’t seen her in over 20 years. I think it is. The location also makes sense.

So, if you were me and it is her, how would you play it? Ultimately, if they have the best product for the best price, we’ll go with them, but I don’t want it to be a walk in the park for her if she really is who I think she is.

I don’t think she’ll know I’m me, if you get me. My name isn’t uncommon and I’m based on a different city than where we grew up so I don’t think she’d make the link.

OP posts:
minipie · 14/10/2021 13:24

Ha it’s the thread that won’t die

CANCEL THE CHEQUE

midsomermurderess · 14/10/2021 15:18

@HadEnoughOfBears

Why do people not read threads before answering 🙈🙈
Because 'I would ...' is the most important thing of all.
Grinchallyear · 14/10/2021 17:26

Hi op,

So, when you see her on Zoom, I’d….🤣🤣

just joking

Read the thread, peeps

Dasher789 · 15/10/2021 01:13

Brilliant, you played it perfectly op! And I'm glad her product was rubbish.

QueenBee52 · 15/10/2021 03:26

@Dujoj

I would try and meet with her prior to official meeting so you could find out if it is really her and have honest conversation. This way nasty surprise at official meeting can be avoided.

WTF 🤣

Jackx80 · 16/10/2021 17:51

Just put your big girl pants on and pretend you don’t know her.

TheRealAnnabelleBronstein · 16/10/2021 17:59

@Jackx80

Just put your big girl pants on and pretend you don’t know her.
That’s a great idea.

I’ll definitely do that four days ago. Thanks a million Flowers

OP posts:
Worriedatwork1 · 16/10/2021 18:11

@TheRealAnnabelleBronstein

Right, so the product isn’t great, objectively speaking. Interface was very laggy during the demo.

Had someone from the IT team with me and they’re concerned about how it’ll integrate with our systems and the costs quoted for support are a lot higher than other suppliers.

Presentation was fine. She seems quite new and junior. She was leading the pitch but the Relationship Manager kept having to jump in to cover bits she missed or take questions she couldn’t answer. I kept it fairly cool and just went through the standard process.
I have a medical issue at the moment that’s affecting my speech a little so I haven’t been too talkative in any of these meetings anyway.

Recognised her at soon as she opened her mouth.

I didn’t think she recognized me but she did.

The meeting closed like this-

Her: Before we wrap-up, I just wanted to say that I think we used to go to school together, Eleanor. I think you were Eleanor Smyth back then? I was Edwina Dyson.

Me: Oh? The name doesn’t ring a bell, I’m afraid.

Her (with that stupid donkey laugh I’d forgotten about): Well, hopefully I’m more memorable now after…

Me: Thanks everyone. Take care.

Also me:
~The host has ended the meeting for everyone~

Mic dropWink
Confiscatedpopit · 16/10/2021 18:20

Don’t know why you are taking this so badly to be honest and giving it so much headspace… this is the universe giving her the karma she deserves! Enjoy it and just see what happens.

Confiscatedpopit · 16/10/2021 18:21

Haha seen you did exactly that. Sounds perfect, well done you.

TheRealAnnabelleBronstein · 16/10/2021 20:09

@Confiscatedpopit

Don’t know why you are taking this so badly to be honest and giving it so much headspace… this is the universe giving her the karma she deserves! Enjoy it and just see what happens.
Can you define “so much headspace”, please?

Because I literally realized it was her, had the meeting, and put it all to bed within about 3.5 hours. A good hour of that was spent on a product demo so thoughts were elsewhere.

I also don’t see how I took it badly. If anything, I was more bemused at the scenario.

OP posts:
Confiscatedpopit · 16/10/2021 20:12

Yes of course- surely starting a long post on Mumsnet in the first place suggests it has really unnerved you? You sounded quite anguished and very worried about it in that post. I’d class that as giving it headspace.

It might be how you are coming across in your writing but you sound quite defensive in all honesty.

TenThousandSteps · 16/10/2021 20:32

You are a bigger person than me OP. After that meeting I would have emailed her snd said. “Yes, I do remember you. You were the school bully. Hopefully you are a happier person now” and left that thought with her. Most bullies do not realise they are bullies, they are usually very unhappy people and being unkind is their only way of expressing themselves.

Gonnagetgoing · 16/10/2021 20:42

@TenThousandSteps

You are a bigger person than me OP. After that meeting I would have emailed her snd said. “Yes, I do remember you. You were the school bully. Hopefully you are a happier person now” and left that thought with her. Most bullies do not realise they are bullies, they are usually very unhappy people and being unkind is their only way of expressing themselves.
Oh trust me my teenage bully knew exactly what she was - a bully - she was bullied by her own mother and yes she was very unhappy, so in a sense should’ve known it was wrong to do it to others, yet she did. She actually still tried to “persuade” me to use her services for new age hippy therapy crap so I don’t think she’s really learned - a coffee etc without trying to sell me her services would’ve gone further with me.
PooWillyNameChange · 16/10/2021 20:52

Ah OP I love your response, and I'm also quite happy she bombed the meeting and the product was sub standard especially if commission may have been involved.

Yes. She may have changed, or may have had a hard time herself as a teen, who knows... but what the hell is it with Mumsnet and assuming everyone has mitigating circumstances for everything? Some people are just arseholes.

ElleMac44 · 17/10/2021 08:51

Personally I would let her know you know who she is and then treat it as any other presentation, she will squirm inwardly and that would be enough for me, that she was uncomfortable , you can let her see you're the bigger person and have moved on with your life. Do it, and make sure she knows you know who she is..

SofiaMichelle · 17/10/2021 09:27

@ElleMac44

Personally I would let her know you know who she is and then treat it as any other presentation, she will squirm inwardly and that would be enough for me, that she was uncomfortable , you can let her see you're the bigger person and have moved on with your life. Do it, and make sure she knows you know who she is..
RTFT or at least OP's posts.
jakkijax · 17/10/2021 09:47

She sounds awful... but... if it were me... I would do the meeting and if she mentions anything just look blank and say ... nope don't remember you at all....

midsomermurderess · 17/10/2021 13:05

Which if you had even the scantest interest in what the OP did, @jakkijax, you'll find she did. Still 'I would...' trump's anything she might have done, eh?

jakkijax · 18/10/2021 12:42

Don't understand your post.

midsomermurderess · 18/10/2021 15:14

No of course not, jakki.

TRex57128 · 19/10/2021 22:07

Just attend the meeting and if it comes down to 50 50 between her and another company, then influence to go with the other company.
Don't acknowledge her unless she acknowledges you. You don't want her making a complaint that your bias... although she'd have to admit bullying for that.

Lostmarbles2021 · 19/10/2021 22:24

This is quite funny. I wonder how long we can keep getting more advice for the OP who has already dealt with it (beautifully) and clearly left the table.

How many new advice posts if we keep bumping it. My money is on 5....

(I’m sure I do this lots too though when I’m in a hurry so I’m not having a dig at anyone)Grin

DadDadDad · 20/10/2021 07:08

(I’m sure I do this lots too though when I’m in a hurry so I’m not having a dig at anyone)

You say that, @Lostmarbles2021, but why wouldn't you at least notice that a thread like this has at over 500 posts and think "hmm, maybe someone's already given the advice I've given, or perhaps the situation has moved on - I'll just have a quick browse through before I post something that no-one is going to read..."? Confused

Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday · 20/10/2021 07:15

Nicely played, Op.

I think you can take your local counselling practice off speed-dial.