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Is the UK about to collapse?

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Penfield · 07/10/2021 14:20

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

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Davros · 09/10/2021 21:08

I think there is a middle ground between ignoring all media and exposing yourself to too much media and SM. I don't read newspapers on paper or online and I never have. My mother lapped up newspapers, especially the ones she agreed with, and was a very left wing, narrow minded bigot! I listen to Radio 4 in the morning, mostly to catch the headlines but I might hear other bits, ditto news on TV later in the day and I dip in and out of News Night. I feel I'm informed enough.
By the way, I haven't seen any out of the ordinary items missing in shops and Tesco just delivered everything I ordered. Today, when I went on a longish drive to a family party, there was petrol a-plenty!

Davros · 09/10/2021 21:12

P.S. the thing I did find depressing today was the Tesco order coming loose with no bags in case I throw them all in the river. What I want them for is to recycle all the packaging the goods came in!

JasonMomoasgirlfriend · 09/10/2021 21:37

@Davros

P.S. the thing I did find depressing today was the Tesco order coming loose with no bags in case I throw them all in the river. What I want them for is to recycle all the packaging the goods came in!
The packaging of items definitely needs to change. But I totally get the bagless delivery. Every bag will end up in landfill at some point.
Puisanceel · 09/10/2021 21:39

Climate change is the more worrying thing tbh, a lot more worrying than Brexit. I don't think any of us will still be here in a decade.

BitterTits · 09/10/2021 21:41

Today, when I went on a longish drive to a family party, there was petrol a-plenty!

I'm sure there was, at £1.48/litre.

HarrisonStickle · 09/10/2021 23:27

We are having water problems now, though, aren't we?

England and Wales don't have enough of the water treatment chemicals so raw sewage is being discharged all over the place. Just like the good old days! Water in Surrey and Kent is unfit to drink.

The problem with all those people who voted Leave because they had been shat on for years was that they thought it was the EU when it was actually their own government. The EU actually helped mitigate this by financing lots of projects in deprived areas.

Original poster
Penfield · 09/10/2021 23:35

England and Wales don't have enough of the water treatment chemicals so raw sewage is being discharged all over the place. Just like the good old days! Water in Surrey and Kent is unfit to drink.

I knew we were having water problems. But didn't realise why. We've had raw sewage a few roads away from us spilling all over the street. I'm not sure if that was connected too.

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Brindle88 · 09/10/2021 23:44

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madisonbridges · 09/10/2021 23:50

There will be a shortage of ferric sulphate used in the thirs stage of treating sewage so companies can apply to DEFRA to have sewage released without thus treatment. None of the companies have applied to do that yet. Its because of a shortage of haulage drivers with the extra qual needed to drive hazard substances.

Sewage has been being leaked increasingly - nothing to do with Brexit. It's because of the antiquated system that already exists, the increased floods and storms and the increased amount of building that's putting pressure on the already struggling drainage system.

So it will be a problem exacerbated by Brexit but it isn't at the moment.

MidnightMeltdown · 10/10/2021 00:30

So while the era of being an aggressive militarily and trading empire are gone, the average UK citizen is much better of that most of the rest of the world, and better than most of out history.

This is true. How many people had central heating 70 years ago? Or double glazing? There are so many luxuries that we now take for granted and see as essentials. Obviously it's good that living standards have improved so much, but as a nation we've become very soft and complacent. Our ancestors were a lot hardier, and you need that hardiness to be successful as a country.

Blossomtoes · 10/10/2021 00:32

you need that hardiness to be successful as a country

Do you? I give you the USA.

MidnightMeltdown · 10/10/2021 00:38

@Blossomtoes

you need that hardiness to be successful as a country

Do you? I give you the USA.

Yes, the USA is on top now, but they won't be forever, at least I don't think so. It will be developing countries like China and India that are successful. I don't know how long it will take, but there will be a shift at some point in the future I think.

CatAndHisKit · 10/10/2021 00:53

Puisanceel only a decade?! can you explain why do you think that?

Puisanceel · 10/10/2021 01:20

only a decade?! can you explain why do you think that?

All the science points to imminent catastrophic climate collapse. It's happening much faster than anyone thought it was going to.

Puisanceel · 10/10/2021 01:22

Frankly a decade is on the optimistic side.

Davros · 10/10/2021 01:22

[quote BitterTits]Today, when I went on a longish drive to a family party, there was petrol a-plenty!

I'm sure there was, at £1.48/litre.[/quote]
You're wrong. I went out late this evening to pick up DD so I had a look and it was £1.49 a litre!
One of the problems in the area of London where I live, and others I expect, is we have very few petrol stations left, they keep being built on

tometouterus · 10/10/2021 07:27

@Puisanceel

only a decade?! can you explain why do you think that?

All the science points to imminent catastrophic climate collapse. It's happening much faster than anyone thought it was going to.

It is collapsing and I am extremely anxious about it but I don't think it means we'll all be dead in a decade. People in vulnerable areas and especially living in poverty in those areas might be. For the rest of us life will just get much harder and unpleasant
Elephantsparade · 10/10/2021 07:35

Tipping point. The sadest article I read this week was that the wind farms arent working as well as hoped its less windy due to 'global stilling'

Chakraleaf · 10/10/2021 08:16

@Elephantsparade

Tipping point. The sadest article I read this week was that the wind farms arent working as well as hoped its less windy due to 'global stilling'
It's horrendous. Everything points to massive global problems. We were warned and warned.
sospspsp · 10/10/2021 09:27

I wish we had leadership in this country.
Boris is hopeless, and without the tools or ability he is doing a terrible job.

longwayoff · 10/10/2021 10:09

Just saw Kwasi Kwarteng assure Andrew Marr there will be no power cuts this winter so I've ordered 100 candles from Amazon. The concerned amongst us might like to do the same. Those who think everything is fab, carry on with your heads in the sand.

longwayoff · 10/10/2021 10:39

BTW where is Bozo? Oh, on holiday on the Costa del Sol. Excellent, wouldn't like to think he's depriving himself in any way. Meanwhile, back in UK that holiday's being funded by a £20 UC cut. Hurrah for him and his Tory mates. Are you listening Red Wall? This is levelling up for you. Put another jumper on, you'll be needing it.

Porcupineintherough · 10/10/2021 10:47

There is no comparison bw conditions in the UK and Lebanon. Lebanon is about to collapse (or is poss already there).

Ijustknowitstimetogo · 10/10/2021 10:56

All civilisations come to an end though. For what ever reason. The Romans, Persia, Incas, Greecian etc. This one will too.

longwayoff · 10/10/2021 12:00

I bet we're the first to actively vote for the barbarians to destroy it from the inside. Welcome chaos.

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