Is the UK about to collapse?

[Penfield]

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

@CorianderAndCream

And as a member of the media we only write the information we are fed and even then I feel we will be fine. We're the fifth richest country in the world and look at the size of us! We will be just fine

Who do you write for?

Your local paper? Or perhaps even a trade mag?

Amazing to read some of the comments on here, are people so stupid

I agree @dea56

There are more stupid people in the UK and on mumsnet than I thought possible. This thread has begun to explain why we’re in the mess we are.

So many responses here, including your own, explain why the U.K. has allowed the posh boys to take over and trash the place.

@Plunger guess you voted Tory and for leave

OP your thread asks 'Is the UK about to collapse?' not 'Do you think the Tories are doing a good job?. And you assume posters who think we are probably not 'about to collapse' of voting Tory/Brexit and being stupid.

I assumed you were talking about actual societal collapse, which I think is unlikely. Crap times ahead - yes certainly.

[quote Thekolschisonme]@dea56 and talk about hyperbole . Civil war.... Really ? I guess the damage Thatcher inflicted was akin to self harm definitely.[/quote]
A lot of that post is hyperbole but have you seen the footage of the police attacks on the miners? Or read any accounts of the Battle of Orgreave? Men literally fighting for their livelihoods. It was one of the most shameful episodes in a merciless decade.

madisonbridges

SE here and plenty of fuel shortages and empty shelves where I am.

Just love the - oh it's not happening where I live therefore you must all be imagining it - rhetoric

The thing is I used to be one of these ‘don’t read the news it’s too stressful’ people. I was like it for years. Knew nothing about what was going on in the world. Never voted as I knew nothing about politics. Brexit came along and I voted to leave. My family were furious with me. I dug my heels in and then thought I should start to look into it a bit ... bit too late for that ...

Then I started to realise. I’d been instrumental in the downfall of this country.

We need to know what’s going on in the world so we don’t vote for policies and governments that are going to mess our lives and our children’s lives up for their own benefit. That’s what the Tories are doing and that’s what Brexit was about.

The Tories don’t see Brexit as failing because it’s doing just what they wanted it to; its crashing our economy in order tin line their own pockets.

@GatoradeMeBitch

I know it's not even a minor headline in the current shitshow, but our dentist's receptionist told me today that there will be no more 6 month or annual check-ups at the practice for NHS patients who don't pay. Only treatment, and for the foreseeable future only emergency treatment.

@GatoradeMeBitch Dentistry provision is shocking. Three year waiting lists here to even be able to register with an NHS dentist.

Privatisation of health, by the back door.

Just like schools, with the academy system.

Yet 'we' let it happen.

I have read through peoples fears and doubts on here and al I can say is a lot of you don’t understand politics and economics.
The poor will get poorer along with the working middle class but the rich will get richer .
Government is nothing more than a legal protection racket . For years the poor and the middle class have been paying into the pot while rich work out ways of avoiding paying .
Then there is the added tax now on the environment scam . We have had global cooling , warming , ozone layer, greenhouse effect , flooding . Every decade that goes by we are being told we should be dead if we don’t change . We follow the government advice and make changes the rich getting richer and the poor keep paying into the scam . Every single country in the world is beyond collapse with corruption nearly all based of fear .

For years the poor and the middle class have been paying into the pot while rich work out ways of avoiding paying .

So true. Remember Victoria Beckham furloughing her staff when her hobby business has always run at a loss and is, in itself, a means of reducing their tax bill. Absolutely fucking shameless.

I was thinking about this the other day and how every generation that had something big happen must have wondered if it was the 'end of days'.

Then, I happened to be listening on Audible to '12.22.63' by Stephen King, in which the central character travels back in time from the current day to the 1950s/60s America, Kennedy era. The following section felt appropriate in today's panic:

'I'd made the stupid assumption that people were going to approach the Cuban Missile crisis much like any other temporary international dust up, because by the time I went to college it was just another intersection of names and dates to memorise for the next prelim.

'That's how things look from the future. To people in the valley, the dark valley of the present, they look different.'

Thanks to this thread I think I finally understand why the Tories aren't slipping in the polls despite all the huge problems going on

It's because people in their little bubbles where everything is still ok just don't read the news and/or don't care that other people are really suffering and the country is facing grave risks.

And anything that challenges their 'all is well' narrative can be dismissed as lies and paranoia. So nothing will change until something happens that properly breaks through that complacency, like a housing market crash.

@Innovationstandard

madisonbridges

SE here and plenty of fuel shortages and empty shelves where I am.

Just love the - oh it's not happening where I live therefore you must all be imagining it - rhetoric

So true!

I haven't had petrol in my car since this all started. Walked to the nearest garage yesterday & they're still out of fuel.

The responses here advising people just to stop watching the news are depressing. That's what wrong with England, people with that 'I'm alright Jack' attitude. Just switch off the radio and ignore the problems. 🙄

@dreamingbohemian

Thanks to this thread I think I finally understand why the Tories aren't slipping in the polls despite all the huge problems going on

It's because people in their little bubbles where everything is still ok just don't read the news and/or don't care that other people are really suffering and the country is facing grave risks.

And anything that challenges their 'all is well' narrative can be dismissed as lies and paranoia. So nothing will change until something happens that properly breaks through that complacency, like a housing market crash.

Yes. It is truly, truly depressing.

I remember seeing a film about the Japanese tsunami. In one scene is a young man pottering about in his garden, utterly oblivious to the fact that in a few seconds he is going to die. That might be an extreme, but it’s what you sunny up landers remind me of.

One of my favourite proverbs is 'A life lived in fear, is a life half lived'. Seeing conspiracies everywhere and jumping at every shadow is a shit way to live. Plus it's a shitty attitude to expose your children to.

[quote Thekolschisonme]@Plunger guess you voted Tory and for leave [/quote]
What a pathetic comment. You know zilch about me or my voting habits.

No one is seeing conspiracies. That implies it’s imaginary. Thing is it’s not. We do have food banks, homelessness, racism, collapse of NHS, austerity affecting the poorest areas.

@Sassoon

The responses here advising people just to stop watching the news are depressing. That's what wrong with England, people with that 'I'm alright Jack' attitude. Just switch off the radio and ignore the problems. 🙄

I think that mindset is often accompanied by the notion that ‘someone else will sort it out’. I’m also willing to bet that these are the same people most out out when their individual circumstances are affected.

Ironic really, the same mindset that generally dislikes so-called ‘nanny states’ are possibly the most reliant on the state to keep things at a standard acceptable to them.

*most put out

I think many of us are aware that things are going to get difficult and for many we are in that position already

But we just not being over dramatic about it we are just dealing with our own lives

On social media drama gets stepped up over every issue

The UK has been about to collapse and there has been predicted uncontrollable rioting many times over the last 15 years post of UK being non the brink of collapse is nothing new on MN

@peaceanddove

One of my favourite proverbs is 'A life lived in fear, is a life half lived'. Seeing conspiracies everywhere and jumping at every shadow is a shit way to live. Plus it's a shitty attitude to expose your children to.

Easy to say when you aren't at the bottom of the ladder though. Try telling that to people living hand to mouth and see if they agree.

The media has a lot to answer for. Scaremongering and creating panic where it isn't needed. I'm sick to death of the news and no longer / read it. If the media hadn't reported on the so-called petrol shortages we wouldn't have had the ridiculous panic buying. It was almost as bad as the bog roll exodus. All the media have ever reported on is bad or controversial news because we lap it up. It just causes panic and anxiety. No thanks.

Not just the UK either - the world is a mess, climate going haywire, so many natural disasters, and then control that social media / internet has over the economy let alone people's minds and connectivity - bound to fall in bad hands - plus all the wars, dictators having their hand on gas supplies, etc, etc.
Well, China might survive for a bit longer - only a maybe..
I don't know if all this frenzy of space trips for civilians is the rich hoping for an escape route - but unlikely to happen in time.