Is the UK about to collapse?

[Penfield]

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

I don’t think most of the people that voted for Brexit knew what it was actually about

@madisonbridges come on there have been loads of threads about shortages plus the papers and TV are reporting on it. We have shortages up here in supermarkets and some of our petrol stations have only half the number of pumps operating but yes they are still open. Not normal at all. Why deny what is blatantly evident to many people ? Instead you brush it off as being scaremongering, another project dear no doubt.

South East

Last weekend - I found it genuinely unsettling. We've been getting deliveries for a while and I hadn't been in a shop for a few weeks and was shocked at how bad it looked.

Yes you'll all feel much better if you stop watching the news and therefore don't know anything. You can get your information from Mumsnet instead. Everyone here is an expert and completely impartial. Most of them are lorry drivers.

We will be fine for Fucksake. Are we suddenly poor? Do we not have electricity and infrastructure and the financial and tech industry supporting us?

And as a member of the media we only write the information we are fed and even then I feel we will be fine. We're the fifth richest country in the world and look at the size of us! We will be just fine

@Madisonbridges Johnson only killed hundreds of thousands so far and of all races so not quite on Churchills racism level yet. Churchill actually sided with Hitler, just as a by the by, but it served his purposes to stay in power longer to go up against him. But you clearly know very little about world and british history and politics and you need to know politics to understand history.

And if you are a royalist the queen is not legitimate queen of UK the real monarch would be Lord Loudon actually goes back to the 14hundreds and has been proven by multiple sources that Edward IV was illegitimate unless they had teleportation in the 1400 or you believe someone can go overdue by 8 weeks which modern medicine has disproven. But it’s all just politics.

It’s not just the UK and it’s not just about COVID or Brexit. Climate change will see a complete collapse of society globally, unless drastic action is taken immediately.

The IPCC report from August 2021 tells us that “it is only possible to avoid warming of 1.5 °C or 2 °C if massive and immediate cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are made.” (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Sixth_Assessment_Report)

If these cuts aren’t made now, we’ll see the effects over the next 20 years: more floods, more heatwaves, more fires, more droughts.

This means crop failures, millions of deaths, parts of the Southern Hemisphere becoming completely uninhabitable, mass migration of millions to Europe. All this by around 2040. This will be much, much worse than the fear of nuclear war in the 1980s - this is actually happening.

Well, it's all the idiots that listened and believed and actually voted for Boris both in brexit and the election. If you are going to have an upper class buffoon running the country what do you expect.

@CorianderAndCream

And as a member of the media we only write the information we are fed and even then I feel we will be fine. We're the fifth richest country in the world and look at the size of us! We will be just fine

But then we shouldn't have people living in poverty then and school kids being deprived and schools begging for money and staff etc. Makes no sense.

Oh what fresh nuggets of joy do we have today? E-coli in the water supply! Yay! You’d have to read the news of course to know this is happening, so if you don’t read the news, it’s simply not happening. Brilliant!

Of course warnings were made that disruption in supply chains could threaten the treatment of chemical treatment of our drinking water, but, you know.

Amazing to read some of the comments on here, are people so stupid to believe most of the shit the media dishes up ?, they prey and seize upon your fears they magnify every situation to make money its click bait shit, i live in Norwich and no real major problems with fuel , no problems with food from Ocado or Asda, I work for Amazon flex part time the rates have never been so good, we have just come through one of the worst worldwide pandemic ever, we have just been through Brexit, 2 major events causing so much strife but the sun shines the UK is great and life moves on , growing up in the 70,s were the best times for me as a child but we had strikes galore, power cuts , rubbish piled up in the street as the country was held to ransom by the unions, we had the miners fighting with the police at times it was like a civil war !!, being alive today is a piece of piss believe me, social media is a curse so are the media I worked for them for 22 years so yes I have an idea, the traditional press i.e. newspapers are on the way out and the industry is fighting to stay alive so bad news is good news and every day that's what you see so breathe and enjoy life.

Yeah it's a tory nirvarna

@dea56 and talk about hyperbole . Civil war.... Really ? I guess the damage Thatcher inflicted was akin to self harm definitely.

Well I did say I worked for the press, old habits and all that..

@dea56

Amazing to read some of the comments on here, are people so stupid to believe most of the shit the media dishes up ?, they prey and seize upon your fears they magnify every situation to make money its click bait shit, i live in Norwich and no real major problems with fuel , no problems with food from Ocado or Asda, I work for Amazon flex part time the rates have never been so good, we have just come through one of the worst worldwide pandemic ever, we have just been through Brexit, 2 major events causing so much strife but the sun shines the UK is great and life moves on , growing up in the 70,s were the best times for me as a child but we had strikes galore, power cuts , rubbish piled up in the street as the country was held to ransom by the unions, we had the miners fighting with the police at times it was like a civil war !!, being alive today is a piece of piss believe me, social media is a curse so are the media I worked for them for 22 years so yes I have an idea, the traditional press i.e. newspapers are on the way out and the industry is fighting to stay alive so bad news is good news and every day that's what you see so breathe and enjoy life.

Totally agree here.

I despair of the children in families where the parents are constantly anxious about the news.

All the people blaming this Gov and Brexit; how do you account for all the container ships stuck off the coast of California? The 'just in time' model is in crisis because of covid. Goods are not being produced because the economies in the producer countries have not yet opened up. Not just China btw.

Imagine living in one of those countries where you work for a pittance to produce goods for the rich folk in the west, only to have the factory closed; no furlough or welfare state.

Thank goodness we live here. People expected a transition after brexit, what we didn't expect was covid.

We are doing okay in the U.K.

@mellongoose we haven't even started with brexit properly yet
And I agree that you and your ilk are doing ok. Used a food bank recently ? Struggling to pay for food or rent due to UC drop ? Thought not.

I help people every day who fall into poverty. Every day. It is usually a temporary dip in circumstances, which I understand doesn't fit with your narrative but there it is.

I have been on benefits in the past and had to make ends meet. I've got into debt with utilities etc.

I understand the issues better than you think and still take my view.

Most experts think brexit will impact the poorest and most vulnerable in society. We are currently failing to check goods passing through our borders. We were due to start imposing checks in October. That has been kicked further down the road. The real economic impacts have not hit the country yet.There are huge fears about inflation, already warnings about fuel shortages etc These effects will not be temporary. The EU is not experiencing the same shortages as us. To blame this on covid is putting your head in the sand.

It’s the ‘we will be fine’ people that worry me most. The ‘if I don’t read the news I don’t have to worry about it’ ‘we’re a rich country’ people. It’s so lazy and exceptionalist. You’ve always had it good so you think nothing can ever go wrong - that your leaders will always do what’s right for you, so why bother with critical thinking or holding them to account or due process? Our leaders can’t possibly be corrupt or mislead us - we’re British!
Have you seen what’s happened to Lebanon over the last few years? Of course not, you’ve probably not watched the news.

The irony is that most voters already have it good, they just think they can get more. You’re being had. If you want to keep what you’ve got, you’ll have to use your brains and work for it. At the moment you’re all boiling frogs.

It's called a Tory government. We've had a depressingly dismal decade of them bringing this country to it's knees.
The sooner they are shelved the better. An election can't come fast enough imo.

@Penfield

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

No because I'm old enough to haved lived through stuff like this before. It's not going to be apocalyptic, but it's probably going to be very tough financially for a lot of people.

I really feel worried for those who are on benefits or very low wages, for those who struggle in better times. I don't know how some families will manage with rising fuel prices, increased council tax and increased food prices. I think interest rates could well rise. I think the government are very misquided to take away the extra universal credit at a time when poorer families are really going to need it.

Tough times ahead.

@Feelslikealot

No, we are not and stupid posts like this just encourages peoples anxiety and causes panic. But no doubt you'll get a thread full of people agreeing with you.

Agree with you 100%. The media caused panic buying on feul- there was plenty available and only a few BP forecourts were affected originally. As for so called shortages of food: have you never gone to buy something in the last 10 years or so and found it missing? I know I have and haven't panicked. The media and posts like OP's causes anxiety and panic buying causing apparent shortages. No turkey for Christmas- eat something else . It might actually taste batter. No brussel sprouts - best thing in my opinion. No. one will starve, start eating seasonally instead of expecting asparagus in December.

I think we are in for a few rough years while the economy restructures. Rising inflation, and job losses in some sectors while the economy shakes out. We are only just starting to feel the impact of Brexit and add to that problems of the supply chains in the post covid economy. The last time the Tories imposed their ideological changes on the UK w suffered over a decade of job losses, rising interest rates and deprivation. Some communities never recovered. Margaret Thatcher had a lot to answer for and now her heirs are following through. Just like before there will be winners and losers. Promises of a high wage low tax economy might eventually benefit the highly skilled but the people doing the nuts and bolts that keep society running, those working in retail, the care sector, agriculture, leisure and so on wil still be the bottom of the pile and will continue to struggle.

Boris Johnson is high on rhetoric and outright lies, he might talk of sunny uplands but we are only at the beginning of a long hard road. Other countries are also experiencing global supply chain issues but Brexit is going to make it a lot harder for the UK.