Is the UK about to collapse?

[Penfield]

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

@Plunger I don’t know your voting habits but you are an apologist for this appalling government. Downplaying what they are doing and have done. Proroguing parliament, trying to politicise the legal system. So many damaging things.

Hmm the Roman Empire?

@eemama

Hmm the Roman Empire?

What does that mean?

Possibly that the Romans thought they were invincible and that as an empire itwould always be wealthy and powerful until it wasn’t. Too many Brits still seem to believe in our empire.

Basically this is yet another Gov bashing thread where those who dare to disagree are told they are stupid/don't care/aren't informed etc.

Boring! 🙄🤣

Ah - I like that.

@mellongoose

Basically this is yet another Gov bashing thread where those who dare to disagree are told they are stupid/don't care/aren't informed etc.

Boring! 🙄🤣

It’s fine to disagree. We need discussion. And no person is right or wrong.

Many of the ‘don’t read the news/it’s all fear and conspiracy’ are not discussing things though. Are they?

The thing is a lot of the media’s fearmongering stuff people speak of is right IMO about certain things.

We are being terrified about Covid for example so we eventually submit to vaccine passports. This is part of the control strategy so the poor and middle class get weaker and poorer and the rich more powerful.

So I can see why some people think the media is scaremongering and should be avoided at all cost.

BUT we need to filter out the lies and manipulation that are aimed at controlling us and still be awake and aware of what is going on in the world. It’s really important that we all wake up. Otherwise we give government free reign to do what damage it likes.

But the government are mucking things up. No, the country is not going to collapse. But people should be able to get petrol, to buy the food they want, not to have to wait months for imported goods to reach them.

I think we’re on the edge of WW3…maybe 🤔

If not, something just as catastrophic 😬

@YouTubeAddict

I think we’re on the edge of WW3…maybe 🤔

If not, something just as catastrophic 😬

We have been on the edge of WW3 since the 1960s . I don't think that is likely

People were fighting after 2 days of low fuel. People turn to animals pretty quick. I dreading to think.

@Penfield

Sorry - There was probably a better way to put this.

Does anyone else have a feeling that we are close to some collapse, explosion, disintegration of society ...

With gas prices, petrol shortages, inflation, Brexit fall out, Covid, gaslighting government etc

I feel like we're on the edge of something - big ...

Aside from Brexit, food shortages, petrol shortages, a pandemic, blackouts, economy going downhill and the EPA allowing raw sewage to be pumped untreated into our seas, and incompetent leadership, it's all looking good from where I'm standing!

@mellongoose but the irony. How can you be informed if you don't listen to the news and dismiss everything as scaremongering ?
People have a genuine point saying things are not good at the moment but they are accused of bashing the government. Well too right. The government are in charge, they are making a hash of it and they should be challenged. Who on earth can say things are normal when we have the army helping to deliver petrol, obvious shortages in the shops, predicted power disruptions, plus all the other failures too numerous to mention. It's a rerun of brexit, unicorns and sunlit uplands when it clearly isn't but we've all got to keep quiet and go along with it.

@Pythonista we really have not been on the edge of war since the 1960s.
The rise of the Taliban will see more terrorist attacks. The situation in the Middle East is very unstable. North Korea continues to try and increase its military strength. Russia continues to wage a war of misinformation.
In some ways, this is business as usual. But add into that mix climate disaster, growing levels of migrants, and the instability that brings and we could have an increase in terrorist attacks and wars.
I don't think we are heading into WW3 as such, but I can see the climate being created that could make the world much more unstable.

[quote Midnightshopping]@Madisonbridges Johnson only killed hundreds of thousands so far and of all races so not quite on Churchills racism level yet. Churchill actually sided with Hitler, just as a by the by, but it served his purposes to stay in power longer to go up against him. But you clearly know very little about world and british history and politics and you need to know politics to understand history.

And if you are a royalist the queen is not legitimate queen of UK the real monarch would be Lord Loudon actually goes back to the 14hundreds and has been proven by multiple sources that Edward IV was illegitimate unless they had teleportation in the 1400 or you believe someone can go overdue by 8 weeks which modern medicine has disproven. But it’s all just politics.[/quote]
Johnson only killed hundreds of thousands so far
Are you talking about covid or something else? Because covid hasn't been 100s of 1000s. So if it's just that, your claim is ridiculous.

Churchill did not side with Hitler. He wrote a piece in the 30s condemning Hitlers methods but hoping that he would build back a strong Germany. Later in the 30s he spoke out about Germany and urged the British govt to take action against Hitler. You have to remember this was only 20 years after the WW1 and the electorate were, understandably, against another war. Churchill wasn't in power. He was just an MP. He wasn't in the cabinet so had no say over policy. He wasn't hanging on to fight Hitler! He was a sitting MP and had been since 1900. He was still an MP after the war into the 1960s. So if he was only staying in power to go up against Hitler, why didn't he retire in 1945? And WW2 started before Churchill was even in the cabinet. So Churchill wasn't in power and had no say over the start of the war. He didn't get elected PM by the party until 1940 and he could not have foreseen that he would have been chosen. So what was he hanging on for? I don't think you should be touting that you know either history or politics!

I like having a royal family. Your argument is hokum. There's no evidence that Edward IV was illegitimate. Rather than he being born 2 months late, he was reported a weakly child so could have been born 1 month early. Why would such a powerful figure as Richard of York acknowledge someone else's son? He had 22 children. He could have easily rejected Edward. However,
Cecily Neville was descended from Edward III and her relative was an older sibling of Richard of Yorks ascendant relative. So illegitimate or not, he was still descended from Kings. And what's to say that Henry Tudor wouldn't have led an army and defeated George of Clarence, who was hardly popular. Even his own brother, who was really quite a forgiving person, gave up on him in the end. But even if what you say were true, so what? There have been a few points in the succession that could be pointed out as the throne not be passed down legitimately. William I, George I. And actually Edward IV seized the throne from Henry VI who was the legitimate son of the previous King Henry V. So neither Richard nor George should have been king. The whole argument is ridiculous.

Maybe you should brush up on your history AND politics before telling others that they know nothing.

To me it all feels very much like the run up to the winter of discontent in the 70s. I was only a teenager, but times felt tough. Rampant inflation, strikes (somewhere i have a photo taken on a school trip to London of rubbish bags piled high in Leicester Square), rising unemployment and interest rates. It worries me that in four or five years time it will be like the early 80s recession - record unemployment, sky high interest rates, and a real divide (north/south mainly) between the haves and the have nots. It feels like it's been brewing for years though, and it's not reached the worst yet, by a long way.

I think it’s a turbulent period and one reason we left the UK for Copenhagen— it’s very easy in the UK to lose sense of normality with the shit going on- all I can say is stuff here appears as normal and it feels a lot better planned and safer — we don’t have a government constantly spouting complete bullshit and people lapping it up and quite a few comments on here from people who voted leave and regret it as they didn’t think widely enough about it , show that it’s not something that the population should vote on— and if they did it should have needed a second vote to ratify the fact that it would be a Brexit with no real deal at all and spell out exactly what that meant. Abolishing freedom of movement works both ways too , not just people coming here from the EU but Brits working or retiring within the EU is now far more difficult to achieve — do people realise over 220 billion has been spent on Brexit— well over all our contributions in 47 years- for very little tangible benefits and a great many downsides— but nevermind the rich are still allowed their tax free off shore money — basically the very wealthy Tory donors and the right wing colluded to make something palatable to a ton of (in many cases ) not very politically literate people by playing the xenophobia card and the ‘wouldn't It be nice to give this money to the NHS card ‘ (which was never going to happen) . Idiots like Rees Mogg then say (after the result) - we might see some benefits in 50 years!!! Britain has had significant issues for the last 10 years, but these aren’t caused by the EU- they were caused by The systems within Britain and the government. Far too much emphasis on private housing , far too much emphasis on Uni and making them ‘businesses’ rather than putting lots of money into good vocational paid training for less academic teens, not being arsed to actually bring in the rules that were always available regarding freedom of movement (inwards) - we have them in Denmark — and a total lack of control and follow through on immigration from non EU. Britain needs a change of government and a complete rethink both from politicians and the public on systems and policies that benefit across the board— not just a few at the top — it’s all well and good talking about levelling up— the only reason the Tory’s are saying this is that they think ‘man in hartlepool’ is daft enough to keep voting for them again if they pull the right strings— rather than actually doing anything for them — I’m not a radical lefty by the way - very much in the centre .

@tarasmalatarocks. I think the problem with your argument is that you're talking from a position of moving between countries and of people retiring abroad. I know people who voted Brexit and the idea that they wouldn't because it might stop them retiring to the south of France, is pretty risible really. That just wasn't on their radar. Same as I remember a thread where someone was decrying that they couldn't buy their diamond bracelets tax free in Antwerp, or someone else was moaning because they had to pay tax on their €40,000 artwork from Germany. People have much more basic needs than that. They didn't feel like they're getting a fair share of the EU boom that EU supporters talked about so voting to leave gave them hope things might serve them better in other ways. Maybe more housing, more jobs, higher paid jobs. We'd been in the EU under different governments for 40 years and their lives weren't great and their hope is that it might get better out of the EU.

I really don't think the UK is about to collapse. However, I'm fairly sure other countries that have "failed" did not think it was likely either.

Historically, we've prospered by trading, and I guess brexit makes that more challenging overall. Historically we've also done very well be conquering and settling other parts of the globes, exploiting their nature resources, etc. We've stopped doing that too.

So while the era of being an aggressive militarily and trading empire are gone, the average UK citizen is much better of that most of the rest of the world, and better than most of out history.

Well now the media has posted about food shortages, people will panic. Same old shit as fuel. Ffs. I wouldn't be surprised if we start having water probs soon.

Well now the media has posted about food shortages, people will panic. Same old shit as fuel. Ffs.

There have been media stories about food supply disruption since the summer. This isn’t new, it’s just getting worse.

It is so worrying that people think the media shouldn’t report on problems in the country. What should we have, daily headlines proclaiming ‘EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL NOTHING TO SEE HERE’

I wouldn't be surprised if we start having water probs soon.

What, a run on the taps?

(Yellowhammer and other Brexit readiness projects did actually identify water, and specifically the chemicals needed for water treatment, as one of the commodities at risk. But obv if it happens it’s NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT.)

I didn't vote for Brexit but it doesn't seem to be bothering me so far so I can't complain. There was a week in August where I went into the Co-op and Morrisons and I was like, what's going on? We did have an unexpected heatwave, though, and all the salad stuff was gone and it was 3.30 on a Sunday afternoon. But since then, apart from fizzy water and vanilla coke shortages, everything seems normal where I am. Maybe I have a restricted diet?We did have petrol shortages for a week but now it all seems back to normal. They don't add fluoride to our water because it occurs naturally. Energy prices are a concern but it's happening across Europe so I guess it's not Brexit. Maybe I live in a Utopian area and it's all heading my way? Eek.

@JassyRadlett

Well now the media has posted about food shortages, people will panic. Same old shit as fuel. Ffs.

There have been media stories about food supply disruption since the summer. This isn’t new, it’s just getting worse.

It is so worrying that people think the media shouldn’t report on problems in the country. What should we have, daily headlines proclaiming ‘EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL NOTHING TO SEE HERE’

I wouldn't be surprised if we start having water probs soon.

What, a run on the taps?

(Yellowhammer and other Brexit readiness projects did actually identify water, and specifically the chemicals needed for water treatment, as one of the commodities at risk. But obv if it happens it’s NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT.)

I just had in mind the recent fuel thing. I have noticed a few stock shortages but absolutely nothing that means people need to rush out which is now what will happen.

Too many humans, panicking, buying stuff they don’t need.
Greed is not good!

Who absolutely needed Brexit and why? That is the question. The usual answers do not make much sense to me anyway.

It was totally unnecessary to have such a monumental change without any plans or signposts to guide anyone really. Shame on Britain.