To not get DS vaccinated

[Florence282]

I think this probably not allowed but I'm very interested to see what the general population thinks about vaccinating our DC. DS is 12 and after a tonne of research we've decided not to vaccinate. Other mums in the school are struggling to make a decision.

Yanbu=no to the vaccine
Yabu=yes to the vaccine

It never ceases to amaze me that random people think their "research" is better than the actual people who spend years at University to be in the actual job of researching. Which is a bit different from looking up Google and You Tube.

@edwinbear I understand your hesitancy completely. But I found the BMJ link posted by someone else interesting too, I think it's quite clear that the study in the guardian article is significantly flawed.

But as I said, I do completely sympathise with the innate feeling of hesitancy when it comes to your children. I decided to get the jab whilst I was pregnant, and it was a really hard decision because I just had this intense anxiety about it that I found hard to lift, and it was made so much worse by the misrepresentation of science and studies on social media and in media in general. I'm glad I got it whilst pregnant and I firmly believe it's the right choice, but I couldn't blame a pregnant woman for feeling too anxious as I know what that feels like. I can only imagine it's similar for parents. I just wish that the gov and media would do a better job of informing people of the facts and debunk the rubbish so that people could truly make an informed choice, without the scaremongering.

In our case, my DD has been offered COVID jab and flu jab on same day in school in a few weeks by the community health immunisation team and her HPV vaccine has been cancelled due to “shortages”. So parents are confused all round. Lots of medics amongst parents who are saying nothing in writing because employed by NHS but the kids talk amongst themselves. Years 7-11 are not always offered flu jab but are this year. Coupled with that many kids have recently had Covid so it is all one big confusion at the moment.
My personal view is this will all blew over and we will be in routine with COVID boosters for years to come as we are with flu jabs for the vulnerable and elderly. Nobody gets attacked for their child not having the flu jab and many opt out every year. It is not the same as routine childhood vaccinations like MMR.

@Magicalwoodlands

I think MN tends to be a bit skewed with regards to the vaccine.

I don’t think hesitating over your child having a new vaccine for an illness unlikely to be harmful to them is the height of selfishness to be honest.

Skewed towards compassion for others, science, logic and reason as opposed to skewed towards not caring about others, ignorance of science and absence of logic and reason you mean?

I think people of all ages ascribe too much to being “healthy”. It’s like putting your seat belt on in a car, it reduces your chances of dying in a car crash but it doesn’t mean you won’t die in a car crash. People still do.

Is adults have had the vaccine but our kids will not. We was told after we were vaccinated about side affects that did affect us in a negative way. They didn’t know before because not enough time had passed for research to be done. I’m not going to vaccinate my child when we don’t even know what the long term affects could be, too much of a gamble!!

@Rainbowheart1

Is adults have had the vaccine but our kids will not. We was told after we were vaccinated about side affects that did affect us in a negative way. They didn’t know before because not enough time had passed for research to be done. I’m not going to vaccinate my child when we don’t even know what the long term affects could be, too much of a gamble!!

Which vaccines in history have ever been passed safe and then later be found to have significant long term effects?

And you are a very deeply selfish person who doesn't care that you anti-science ignorance increases their risk of death

I cannot express how despicable a person I think you are. If I were unable to have the vaccine, or any of my close family were in such a position, I'd be 100 times more angry and disgusted

You really do need to calm down.

I've actually had the vaccine.

I just want to hold off on giving it to my child

So you're risking your kids health and my health and everyone I love's health because you think your better qualified to analyse the science than the entire scientific community.

The JCVI is part of that scientific community, a key one, and didn’t go ahead with age group. It’s up to people to decide now it’s available.

With regards to long term side effects my (non scientific!) understanding of how this vaccine works is such that the actual vaccine is in the system for a short amount of time (long enough to do it’s job basically) so the chances of any side effects developing weeks/months/years later are slim to none.

We want to go to America for Christmas so dd is getting vaccinated. A dr at work has explained how the vaccine works so I’m now happy with that.

Which vaccines in history have ever been passed safe and then later be found to have significant long term effects?

The swine flu one did, which is why a few are wary now.

AZ vaccine, the one I had, that then was stopped being given to my age group after I already had it. I also missed 3 periods because of it, again, no mention of it affecting your cycle until after I had already had it!!

Not enough information, I’m not going to gamble my child being back when I don’t yet know the side affects.

Also these vaccines were passed very quickly compared to how other vaccines have been passed. Covid only started in March 2019.

@Rainbowheart1

AZ vaccine, the one I had, that then was stopped being given to my age group after I already had it. I also missed 3 periods because of it, again, no mention of it affecting your cycle until after I had already had it!!

Not enough information, I’m not going to gamble my child being back when I don’t yet know the side affects.

Yes this is what put me off too. It seemed they very much didn't know everything.

Now I'm happy to take my chance and have the vaccine but I'm not going to take that chance with my DC

Wow the absolute hysteria some people have if you chose not to vaccinate your DC is astoundinng. What difference does it make to you if my DC are vaccinated or not? They can still transmit the virus if they’ve been vaccinated. I’m double jabbed, my DD13 is not. She currently has covid and has had cold symptoms and a temperature for 1 day and now pretty much back to normal! Lots of my friends DCs have recently had Covid (not vaccinated as only just started rolling out to that age group). None of them have been seriously ill. If you think back to last year it was protect the vulnerable, now it’s everyone (including young children and babies in the very near future I should imagine) and carry on having boosters every 6 months for ever more. I see the vitriol that adults who haven’t had the vaccine is now being passed down to parents who are understandably nervous. I’m not saying my DC will never have it just not at the moment and I love the way everyone thinks big pharma are pushing the vaccine to every being on earth for the good of the individual. It couldn’t possibly to anything to do with profits could it?

The quickest vaccine to be developed and passed before covid was 4 years…and that was the quickest!!

@LagunaBubbles

It never ceases to amaze me that random people think their "research" is better than the actual people who spend years at University to be in the actual job of researching. Which is a bit different from looking up Google and You Tube.

Never underestimate the power of denial. I have decided to do a load of research and then I will go in and fly a jet. Anyone coming onboard?

@Rainbowheart1

Also these vaccines were passed very quickly compared to how other vaccines have been passed. Covid only started in March 2019.

Because a lot of the groundwork had already been done on the back of previous SARS and MERS vaccine development, plus lots money was thrown at the research and there were plenty of volunteers for the trials.

Vaccine development usually takes time because of the constant pauses to raise funds / find volunteers for trials / get the backing of large pharmaceutical companies.

I am double jabbed as is DH. I'm pro vaccination generally but I'm not sure about this one for my kids.

My eldest is 6 so isn't being offered it yet but might be, I think we will say no for now if he is offered it. My reasoning is definitely coloured by the fact that he had Covid in September anyway, so might have some immunity from that for a while, I think that makes my decision easier to be honest.

It's a tough choice and I don't think it's fair that parents are being harangued for struggling to make it.

Belladonna12 - The JCV1 said that the known benefits marginally outweighed the potential known risks actually and that was without weighing up effects on educations etc.

Why don’t you read the whole thing? When looking at such slim margins, it’s not certain and comes down to debatable levels of statistical significance. So, it’s more sensible to vaccinate the vulnerable sub-group and leave the rest.

Professor Wei Shen Lim, Chair of COVID-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said:

“Children aged 12 to 15 years old with underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk of severe COVID-19 should be offered COVID-19 vaccination. The range of underlying health conditions that apply has recently been expanded.

For otherwise healthy 12 to 15 year old children, their risk of severe COVID-19 disease is small and therefore the potential for benefit from COVID-19 vaccination is also small. The JCVI’s view is that overall, the health benefits from COVID-19 vaccination to healthy children aged 12 to 15 years are marginally greater than the potential harms.

Taking a precautionary approach, this margin of benefit is considered too small to support universal COVID-19 vaccination for this age group at this time. The committee will continue to review safety data as they emerge.“

@Turquoisesea

Wow the absolute hysteria some people have if you chose not to vaccinate your DC is astoundinng. What difference does it make to you if my DC are vaccinated or not? They can still transmit the virus if they’ve been vaccinated. I’m double jabbed, my DD13 is not. She currently has covid and has had cold symptoms and a temperature for 1 day and now pretty much back to normal! Lots of my friends DCs have recently had Covid (not vaccinated as only just started rolling out to that age group). None of them have been seriously ill. If you think back to last year it was protect the vulnerable, now it’s everyone (including young children and babies in the very near future I should imagine) and carry on having boosters every 6 months for ever more. I see the vitriol that adults who haven’t had the vaccine is now being passed down to parents who are understandably nervous. I’m not saying my DC will never have it just not at the moment and I love the way everyone thinks big pharma are pushing the vaccine to every being on earth for the good of the individual. It couldn’t possibly to anything to do with profits could it?

I can't see any hysterical posts. I understand that some people might feel hesitant and certainly don't think they are selfish for not wanting to. However, I find the argument that we don't know enough about the long-term effects of the vaccine so children shouldn't have it nonsensical considering we don't know that much about the long term effects of covid either. Why assume that because your child only had mild covid there won't be any long term effects but think the vaccine may cause long term effects even if it only causes an aching arm for a few hours?

No definitely not.

We're not vaccinated and have no intentions. We've had Covid and were asymptomatic. Let's talk about natural immunity instead.

Might not be able to anyway. Whole year groups are being missed because they're running out of time and no word on whether they're going back to the schools. So people can stop whinging about it now.