To not get DS vaccinated

[Florence282]

I think this probably not allowed but I'm very interested to see what the general population thinks about vaccinating our DC. DS is 12 and after a tonne of research we've decided not to vaccinate. Other mums in the school are struggling to make a decision.

Yanbu=no to the vaccine
Yabu=yes to the vaccine

On one of the threads on the Covid board, a poster suggested it would be really helpful to give children in this category an antibody test to see if they already had some immunity. I thought that was a brilliant idea and would certainly help me with our decision.

[quote edwinbear]@minatrina but the article also states:

Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim.

Their analysis of medical data suggests that boys aged 12 to 15, with no underlying medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-related myocarditis than ending up in hospital with Covid over a four-month period.

Most children who experienced the rare side-effect had symptoms within days of the second shot of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, though a similar side-effect is seen with the Moderna jab. About 86% of the boys affected required some hospital care, the authors said.[/quote]
As you say most got it after two shots. In the UK 12 to 15 years olds are only getting one.

I also knew it wouldn't be long before it was more trendy to bash people for not jabbing their kids. Didn't take long for that u-turn and venom to creep in.

@edwinbear but what specifically constitutes "some hospital care"? It is still not directly comparable to being hospitalised with COVID. The article also hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

My DC1 is 9. He has epilepsy and tends to have fits when unwell. I'm also not keen for him to miss any more school after exclusions, lockdown etc. etc.
For teenagers it's not just the risk of illness but the risk to their mental health and education. So I voted YABU.

The study hasn't been peer reviewed I meant to say, sorry, not the article

@frednfreda

Nobody should be having their children vaccinated because of peer or media pressure. It should be a well thought out decision for more legitimate reasons than - 'cos my mates had it' which is, I fear, why many will.

DH and I in our forties have had our Covid jabs but our children will not be unless it's decided otherwise at some point.

You could same the same about not getting the vaccine. A lot of the hesitancy is due to peer pressure, false social media etc.

@Florence282

Yes I should add, DH and I are both double jabbed and DS has been involved in the decision.

So you're risking your kids health and my health and everyone I love's health because you think your better qualified to analyse the science than the entire scientific community.

I think that you are very selfish and ignorant and arrogant.

A lot of the hesitancy is due to peer pressure, false social media etc

I'm not sure about that. Lots of people I know who are unsure about their kids being jabbed have happily been vaccinated themselves.

And just to be clear here - anyone tells me that they aren't vaccinated or if they're not wearing a mask... you are literally telling me that you think that I'm a worthless PoS, and I can assure you that if you think that of me I think even worse of you.

I haven't properly thought about it as my DC are too young, but my daughter is 12 next year and I don't think I want her to have it. I'm in no way antivax and have had both vaccines myself and my DC are vaccinated against all the usual childhood diseases. My concern is that's it such a new vaccine. Basically I'm willing to take the risk myself but not risking my kids in order to protect anyone else. Elderly and vulnerable people have had the jab now and will be getting boosters so I'd rather leave the kids alone.

@LaetitiaASD

And just to be clear here - anyone tells me that they aren't vaccinated or if they're not wearing a mask... you are literally telling me that you think that I'm a worthless PoS, and I can assure you that if you think that of me I think even worse of you.

You sound completely unhinged

@minatrina yes, I acknowledge it's not been peer reviewed yet, as well as this being after two doses rather than the single dose children will be receiving (currently) in the UK. But it still casts enough doubt in my head for now. I'm sure the outcome will be closely monitored in the UK and I will be very happy to have him vaccinated if studies in the UK prove the risk is minimal.

@hangrylady

I haven't properly thought about it as my DC are too young, but my daughter is 12 next year and I don't think I want her to have it. I'm in no way antivax and have had both vaccines myself and my DC are vaccinated against all the usual childhood diseases. My concern is that's it such a new vaccine. Basically I'm willing to take the risk myself but not risking my kids in order to protect anyone else. Elderly and vulnerable people have had the jab now and will be getting boosters so I'd rather leave the kids alone.

Yes I feel exactly the same. My dd got her flu vaccine yesterday. I've had my covid vaccine. I'm not anti vax. I'd just rather hold off. They can always have it at a later date

@edwinbear

That Guardian article refers to a US study that has been widely criticised.

This BMJ article might shed some light:

Covid-19: Study that claimed boys are at increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination is deeply flawed, say critics

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251

Thanks @Ekofisk I will read through, I'm genuinely grateful for any insight as it doesn't seem a very easy decision at all.

[quote Comedycook]@Geamhradh

Did the JCVI recommend vaccinating all children aged 12-15 or not?[/quote]
Did the JCVI say benefits outweighed risks or not?
Did the actual medics (remembering JCVI aren't) overrule the JCVI or not?

@frednfreda

I also knew it wouldn't be long before it was more trendy to bash people for not jabbing their kids. Didn't take long for that u-turn and venom to creep in.

It tends to happen when antivaxxers start wide eyed innocent threads tbf.

@Comedycook

I am hinged... up to the point that ignorant and or stupid people make it clear they don't give a shit about me, my loved ones, or anyone else for that matter. Then I become very angry. HTH

@Comedycook

"Yes I feel exactly the same. My dd got her flu vaccine yesterday. I've had my covid vaccine. I'm not anti vax. I'd just rather hold off. They can always have it at a later date"

Unless they die in the meantime of course. But don't worry about that - much more likely that they kill someone else and your DD will be fine, you selfish person.

@edwinbear The JCVI said it’s a finely balanced decision. Everyone’s risk assessment is going to be different.

@Flufferty

I think it's very selfish

Why?

It should be an individual decision for a 12 year old with societal pressure.

Op up to you. Some Will others won’t and that’s fine

Unless they die in the meantime of course. But don't worry about that - much more likely that they kill someone else and your DD will be fine, you selfish person

My DC are extremely unlikely to die from covid. The risk is vanishingly tiny. There have always been immunocompromised people around and there have always been viruses.

I am not certain that a day's training is enough for someone to assess and deliver to a child.
I niavely thought that it was nurses with several years of training and experience doing the job.
But it's cabin crew, uni students etc people with no practical experience and they're now assessing if a child understands the dangers etc and then giving.
With nurses who get struck off, they can't practice and they get de-registered. So there's a consequence and the public are protected from future human error from that specific person.
People not under a governing body can damage the child or not assess them efficiently enough and just go get another job.
I think this is very wrong.

[quote LaetitiaASD]@Comedycook

I am hinged... up to the point that ignorant and or stupid people make it clear they don't give a shit about me, my loved ones, or anyone else for that matter. Then I become very angry. HTH[/quote]
You said anyone who doesn't get vaccinated thinks you're a piece of shit. That's utterly ridiculous.