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2nd Met Police officer has been charged with rape

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Rinoachicken · 03/10/2021 23:04

He worked in the same dept as WC.

It’s being very widely reported, except by the BBC.

AIBU to be sickened and wonder WHY the BBC are not reporting this?

Link: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/03/metropolitan-police-officer-charged-rape-hertfordshire?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Thankyoupeter · 04/10/2021 08:03

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055307/More-HALF-Met-officers-guilty-sexual-misconduct-four-year-period-kept-job.html

And as for this, well the police need to really sort out their standards at misconduct hearings if this is true.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 08:03

[quote Couchbettato]@Pumperthepumper if your son was spat at by an adult why didn't you call it in and report it at the time? That's assault of a minor.[/quote]
Not my son, it’s @YerAWizardHarry who posted that.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 08:04

@Spiindoctor

I've also seen a report of another Met officer dressing as Jimmy Saville on their stag weekend.

That sounds quite mild for an overseas stag holiday.

Really, for the police?
Spiindoctor · 04/10/2021 08:04

33,000 met police to be revetted including social mediam- it's a good idea but how much of your tax do you want to go on this? And presumably it won't just be the Met.
Perhaps do all people in a position of authority - that would be more interesting.

KikoLemons · 04/10/2021 08:05

Re think the structure of the organisation and the way things are rewarded, how people win promotion, how they are paid. If you get this right a lot of the other stuff will be easier to resolve.

vivainsomnia · 04/10/2021 08:07

Do you worry about hatred for women this much?
I 2orry about hatred full stop. I worry about anyone being found guilty and treated as such by the mass before judgement.

I makes me feel like society is just going back to the dark ages a bit more each year.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 08:08

@Spiindoctor

33,000 met police to be revetted including social mediam- it's a good idea but how much of your tax do you want to go on this? And presumably it won't just be the Met. Perhaps do all people in a position of authority - that would be more interesting.
Who has more authority than the police?
2Two · 04/10/2021 08:08

I posted because I’m ANGRY. It seems to me that the government hopes that give it a few days and all us bothersome whining women will settle down and be quiet again and we can Cary on as a society to ignore the fucking TSUNAMI of violence against women that is heppening very fucking day.

But what has that got to do with the BBC, who were in fact reporting this well before you posted?

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 08:10

@vivainsomnia

Do you worry about hatred for women this much? I 2orry about hatred full stop. I worry about anyone being found guilty and treated as such by the mass before judgement.

I makes me feel like society is just going back to the dark ages a bit more each year.

It’s the women’s anger that thinks you’re back in the dark ages? Not the fact that our police force - the people paid to protect us - have been committing crimes against women for literally decades, or covering for those that do? That’s seriously warped thinking.
CandyLeBonBon · 04/10/2021 08:11

@vivainsomnia

Maybe because with what's happened and the hatred for the police encouraged by the media, the BBC is concerned that the guy will be found guilty by the masses before it even goes to trial.

MNers here have clearly done so already. No possibility at all that maybe just maybe, there is a small chance that he didn't rape her?

You realise that for a case to be prosecuted, the cos has to have sufficient evidence for a case to proceed, right? That rape trials don't just get to court on the basis of a single accusation?

You also realise that when rapists are acquitted it rarely means they didn't do it, it often just means the jury cannot convict based on the evidence they are presented with?

For a rape case to get to trial, there is already significant evidence. There must be for it to be in the public interest.

And if you've ever acted on a jury, you'll know that your decision-making process is very much guided by the judge in terms of what you are required to deliberate upon. Which often isn't as straightforward as a 'did he/didn't he' scenario.

Rape cases getting to court where the accused was completely innocent rarely happen. Rape cases getting court and than failing because the evidence required to convict beyond reasonable doubt, happen frequently because rape often happens in private, behind closed doors, away from witnesses. My friend's case failed even when there was cctv evidence.

So the likelihood that this man is didn't do it and has been falsely accused, is pretty much nil, based on the above.

YerAWizardHarry · 04/10/2021 08:12

@Couchbettato of course, it was reported and dealt with accordingly however that didn’t stop the fact that my son was then alienated at school and we ultimately pulled him out and moved him schools

AbstractEim · 04/10/2021 08:12

In my experience the MET are institutionally racist and institutionally misogynist. They need a complete overhaul of their workforce and accepted culture. The policing of the vigil on Clapham Common was horrendous and showed how the MET view women.

I also read this at the time and wasn’t surprised:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/15/officers-allegedly-failed-to-help-woman-flashed-at-way-home-sarah-everard-vigil

Women are fobbed off and treated like they’re wasting police time anytime we report anything where a man has done something against us. It’s ‘just a domestic’. This attitude needs to change.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/02/the-metropolitan-police-canteen-culture-that-shielded-sarah-everard-killer

Naunet · 04/10/2021 08:13

@vivainsomnia

Do you worry about hatred for women this much? I 2orry about hatred full stop. I worry about anyone being found guilty and treated as such by the mass before judgement.

I makes me feel like society is just going back to the dark ages a bit more each year.

Bless. Well don’t worry too much, the vast, vast majority of men accused of rape, don’t get found guilty. Phew!
Mothersister · 04/10/2021 08:27

@Northernlurker

So the alleged offence happened last year and the arrest is happening now? Gosh I wonder what happened this week that has caused some craven misogynists to think 'oh crap better do something because of the angry women' Hmm
You clearly know nothing of the speed the CPS work at if you,think that’s slow. It can take 12-18 months for a charging decision. This is not an unusual time frame.

Cressida Dick needs to go. I was a Police officer for thirty years and worked with some very dedicated and professional officers. But the Met have always had a reputation for being bent, dishonest, shockingly bad etc etc and I’m going back to the late 80’s when I say that.

I’m seen some shameful comments about the Police on here, but I’ve also seen a lot of equally bad defensive posts of the Police, where there isn’t even an acknowledgement that something is severely broken in the Met. I honestly feel like they can’t be trusted to vet themselves, investigate themselves when they do something wrong.

As for the WhatsApp group messages. People that think it’s ok to send photos of murder victims and to have a jolly old joke about rape, clearly have no place in any Police force.

Hdhdjejdj · 04/10/2021 08:31

The fact he’s been arrested and charged at the same time speaks volumes. They had the evidence and have sat on it. Absolutely disgusting.

Rinoachicken · 04/10/2021 08:33

@2Two

I posted because I’m ANGRY. It seems to me that the government hopes that give it a few days and all us bothersome whining women will settle down and be quiet again and we can Cary on as a society to ignore the fucking TSUNAMI of violence against women that is heppening very fucking day.

But what has that got to do with the BBC, who were in fact reporting this well before you posted?

It was not being reported online, which was where I saw it everywhere else, at the time I posted, despite it having been verified for many hours prior and widely reported elsewhere.

It was added online at 2am, and is there now, halfway down the list after fuel and furlough.

By next week, no one will be talking about this issue at all.

It will all be quietly brushed back under the carpet like every time before.

Until the next time.

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Thankyoupeter · 04/10/2021 08:36

@Spiindoctor

33,000 met police to be revetted including social mediam- it's a good idea but how much of your tax do you want to go on this? And presumably it won't just be the Met. Perhaps do all people in a position of authority - that would be more interesting.
Yes I agree it's a huge task. Maybe they could pause their recruitment of 20,000 new officers and use that money to first ensure the ones we have are suitable.
2Two · 04/10/2021 08:36

It was certainly online by midnight, and was being reported on the radio and TV by 10 pm. So the entire premise of implying the BBC was trying to keep it quiet was false.

Rinoachicken · 04/10/2021 08:43

2Two I was awake until gone midnight and it certainly was NOT online, and was not online when I posted this late last night which was nearly an entire day after it had been verified.

I my point still stands how low a priority this story is.

But yeah, defending the BBC is the priority here Hmm

Did you read my other posts where I stated quote clearly why I posted and why I am so angry that this issue is not a priority for anyone?

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Rinoachicken · 04/10/2021 08:44

That last post was to @2Two

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thedancingbear · 04/10/2021 08:46

[quote YerAWizardHarry]@ftw163532 right so my son should be treated like shit even though his dad is a police officer 550 miles away from London? Hmm[/quote]
Fucking hell, who has said that?

Total straw man.

AlternativePerspective · 04/10/2021 08:46

Enquiries into the met is a separate issue which should surely be discussed on a separate thread.

Laying into a poster whose child has become the subject of bullying because of the occupation of his parents is a disgrace, and discussing this particular case and assuming guilt after he has been charged but pending his trial is contempt’ of court and should result in this thread being removed.

So well done. Not.

Onyernelly · 04/10/2021 08:46

WTF can we not have on thread where we talk about the veery real and endemic rape and murder of women in this country and centre the women in the conversation.

Not fucking once.

All those detailing the thread with other issues. You are the problem. People like you.

Spiindoctor · 04/10/2021 08:50

Not fucking once.
But once the serious points have been covered the thread will drop off the Active list.

StopGo · 04/10/2021 08:54

@LexMitior

Oh look, its the Met saying, not one bad apple, but more a small collection of apples. Not the whole barrel...
So you have already found this man guilty then.