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Rinoachicken · 2021-10-03T22:04:31+00:00

He worked in the same dept as WC. It’s being very widely reported, except by the BBC. AIBU to be sickened and wonder WHY the BBC are not reporting this? Link: [[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/03/metropolitan-police-officer-charged-rape-hertfordshire?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other]]

StarfishDish · 04/10/2021 15:09

@Pumperthepumper Nobody is saying rape doesnt ruin lives. It doesnt matter what happens more - rape or falsely accusing somebody of rape - the point is, they both destroy lives. Nobody should be named until convicted.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:10

[quote StarfishDish]@Pumperthepumper Nobody is saying rape doesnt ruin lives. It doesnt matter what happens more - rape or falsely accusing somebody of rape - the point is, they both destroy lives. Nobody should be named until convicted.[/quote]
But if we name them, it encourages other victims to come forward. It absolutely does matter which happens more - your house is on fire, and so is a tiny plant pot at the back of your garden. Which do you put out first?

CandyLeBonBon · 04/10/2021 15:11

@vivainsomnia

Yeah, she’s irrelevant. Just a rape victim, just a victim of rape by the police. Who cares?

You mean as was this one www.google.com/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/hero-police-officer-arrested-false-13760104.amp

Is it really so hard to accept that maybe just maybe, the accused is innocent.

Start at read about women being raped and you'll get my sympathy and support but you won't get me to condemned anyone not yet convicted.

@vivainsomnia I was sexually molested by my stepfather as a youngster.

Nobody believed me. My entire family thought I was 'making it up', and to this day it haunts me.

As devastating as it is for men to be completely falsely accused of rape, a woman or girl not having her claim believed, is overwhelmingly more common, (15x more likely to be falsely accused of murder than rape, remember) and more girls and women's lives are ruined by this than those of men who are falsely accused (and by falsely accused, I mean making up the entire thing, and that it never happened, which is only one definition. The police consider lots of rape allegations as false, and group them together eg a woman retracting her claim because she doesn't want the trauma of a court case, so the example I'm using where it is completely fabricated, is ridiculously rare).

Telling someone you were raped is incredibly traumatic. It's not done for shits and giggles. And knowing people like you are out there insisting that my claim could be a false accusation is utterly horrific and retraumatising.

If your child told you they were raped, who would you believe? Because I know how it felt to have a grown man believed 'innocent until proven guilty'.

My mother stayed married to him for two more years before she finally left him.

You really don't seem to understand this at all.

FOJN · 04/10/2021 15:12

The way this case is being reported is curious. The rape is reported to have taken place on September 4th last year but there is no mention of when the original complaint was made to the police.

He said, she said is one of the many challenges to overcome when prosecuting rape cases so physical evidence to prove sex, whether consensual or not, actually took place is quite important; it makes me wonder if the original complaint was made quite soon after the alleged crime.
It raises lots of questions about why he wasn't suspended until a couple of days ago.

The CPS statement about reporting is addressed to "all concerned" which I interpret to mean anyone associated with the case and I think is intended as a warning to anyone with inside information against leaking it to the press. We don't usually see this type of warning for cases reported on before trial so why this time? If the CPS was so concerned about reporting prejudicing the trial they could have applied for an injunction. If they did do that then they have been unable to convince a judge it was necessary.

He's now been remanded in custody until his next court date on 1st November, I can't find a report of what that date is for.

thedancingbear · 04/10/2021 15:13

@mustlovegin

Can teachers not get angry about violence against women and girls and rape apologists now

I was reading about the sad story of James Rhodes the other day. How would you feel if all teachers were accused of being X, Y, Z? They are also providing a public service and any wrongdoing would be a serious breach of trust. Tarring them all with the same brush would be out of order, unfair and false.

Opening threads every day to instigate animosity against the police is wrong and dangerous

When there is a culture within teaching of knocking the shit out of kids, in the same way that the police routinely diminish and belittle (and occasionally assault and kill) women, and black children, then you can come back and bleat about the nasty teachers.

We're discussing the toxicity of the UK police as a class here. Are you seriously suggesting that that conversation should not be allowed to happen?

StarfishDish · 04/10/2021 15:13

@Pumperthepumper Then people can come forward once being convicted then. That way, people aren't having their lives ruined by false accusations!

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:14

[quote StarfishDish]@Pumperthepumper Then people can come forward once being convicted then. That way, people aren't having their lives ruined by false accusations![/quote]
What if he doesn’t get convinced? Which is the most likely outcome, as you know. What happens to the other victims?

StarfishDish · 04/10/2021 15:20

@Pumperthepumper I do see what you're saying but at the same time, men shouldn't have their lives ruined because they've been named before even being convicted.

vivainsomnia · 04/10/2021 15:23

Women take their lives all the time because of people like you
I don't think so. You are desperately trying to pass me as someone who has no sympathy for women being raped. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Why have a legal system if the mass are going to pass judgement based on the alleged victim say alone?

Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, that's all.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:26

[quote StarfishDish]@Pumperthepumper I do see what you're saying but at the same time, men shouldn't have their lives ruined because they've been named before even being convicted.[/quote]
How are you going to stop that while still taking women seriously?

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Rinoachicken · 04/10/2021 15:27

Everyone is entitled to a fair trial - except rApe victims themselves, who more often than not are not believed at initial disclosure, never mind getting their attacker into court.

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vivainsomnia · 04/10/2021 15:28

Nobody believed me. My entire family thought I was 'making it up', and to this day it haunts me
But this is totally different. Of course your family should have believed you and supported you. That's what families are for.

This completely different to large group of strangers firming an opinion, an opinion that spurs hatred for an entire group of people when that person hasn't yet been convicted, and that hatred is based on just what they know, that an accusation was made.

The two scenarios are completely different. I feel outraged for you that your loved ones were not there for you.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:28

@vivainsomnia

Women take their lives all the time because of people like you I don't think so. You are desperately trying to pass me as someone who has no sympathy for women being raped. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Why have a legal system if the mass are going to pass judgement based on the alleged victim say alone?

Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, that's all.

Aren’t you the one who said the rape victim here was irrelevant? I think that’s probably passed you as the type of person you are better than anything I’ve done.

mustlovegin · 04/10/2021 15:29

We're discussing the toxicity of the UK police as a class here

You can discuss it all you like.

'Toxicity as a class' does not exist though, no matter how long you keep on repeating it, and many will understandably get irritated and worried by the constant agitation against the police force.

What other characteristics do you think should be attributed to other groups 'as a class' BTW?

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:29

@mustlovegin

We're discussing the toxicity of the UK police as a class here

You can discuss it all you like.

'Toxicity as a class' does not exist though, no matter how long you keep on repeating it, and many will understandably get irritated and worried by the constant agitation against the police force.

What other characteristics do you think should be attributed to other groups 'as a class' BTW?

Male violence.

CandyLeBonBon · 04/10/2021 15:32

@vivainsomnia

Nobody believed me. My entire family thought I was 'making it up', and to this day it haunts me But this is totally different. Of course your family should have believed you and supported you. That's what families are for.

This completely different to large group of strangers firming an opinion, an opinion that spurs hatred for an entire group of people when that person hasn't yet been convicted, and that hatred is based on just what they know, that an accusation was made.

The two scenarios are completely different. I feel outraged for you that your loved ones were not there for you.

But I have spent my life being repeated let down by tjat class of people you are so desperately trying to defend.

I am absolutely wary of males as a class. I've been raped, beaten, and financially, emotionally and sexually abused by too many of them throughout my life.

I'm afraid they have proven, as a class, that they are quite capable of looking after their own interests without my help. I'm more concerned with ensuring that the female class has a less raw deal.

mustlovegin · 04/10/2021 15:32

Male violence

So 'intersectionality' as you like to call it? What else? In what other ways do you find discriminating others 'as a class' is morally acceptable? As it is illegal, mind you

vivainsomnia · 04/10/2021 15:33

You really don't seem to understand this at all
What I understand is that two wrongs don't make it right. Both are wrong. The fact that one is more common doesn't make the other one's experience less traumatic.

I have huge sympathy for both. Both are devastating and will have lasting effects for life.

Both should be supported and believed by their loved ones. Those who know nothing about the situation should step away and wait for the outcome of the rulings.

CandyLeBonBon · 04/10/2021 15:34

@vivainsomnia you're treating it as if they happen equally. They don't.

Not even close.

vivainsomnia · 04/10/2021 15:34

But I have spent my life being repeated let down by tjat class of people you are so desperately trying to defend
But I'm not defending anyone. I'm staying away from judgement, it's very different.

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Rinoachicken · 04/10/2021 15:34

@mustlovegin

Male violence

So 'intersectionality' as you like to call it? What else? In what other ways do you find discriminating others 'as a class' is morally acceptable? As it is illegal, mind you

You would think so right? But women are disproportionately disadvantaged and attacked by males BECAUSE WE ARE WOMEN and yet apparently it’s no big deal. Certainly not illegal. We know that because hardly anyone is ever convicted for it.

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Standstheclockattentothree · 04/10/2021 15:35

@mustlovegin

Can teachers not get angry about violence against women and girls and rape apologists now

I was reading about the sad story of James Rhodes the other day. How would you feel if all teachers were accused of being X, Y, Z? They are also providing a public service and any wrongdoing would be a serious breach of trust. Tarring them all with the same brush would be out of order, unfair and false.

Opening threads every day to instigate animosity against the police is wrong and dangerous

You didn't answer my questions about institutional racism and misogyny. If a former Chief Constable says there is institutional misogyny within the police, would you accept she might just be right?

On a personal level, I don't instigate animosity against the police, I share my experiences which include being assaulted multiple times by an ex police officer, there not even being a suggestion of arrest from the police until the time i was admitted to hospital, being coerced into an inappropriate relationship by the Inspector following an attempt on my life, being threatened with rape by a Met officer, and witnessing first hand rampant sexism in the police.

If my experience leads others to feel animosity towards the police, so be it.

Pumperthepumper · 04/10/2021 15:36

@mustlovegin

Male violence

So 'intersectionality' as you like to call it? What else? In what other ways do you find discriminating others 'as a class' is morally acceptable? As it is illegal, mind you

I can’t think of any more. Misogyny and corruption in the police force. Male violence. Sexual abuse in the church?

gardeninggirl68 · 04/10/2021 15:38

caught the end of the news article on this as i was driving home.

did they say he 'emphatically denies' the charge?

pelosi · 04/10/2021 15:38

@vivainsomnia

But I have spent my life being repeated let down by tjat class of people you are so desperately trying to defend But I'm not defending anyone. I'm staying away from judgement, it's very different.

Again, no one has said he’s guilty.

You’re just de-railing. God forbid women have a voice.