15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

I overheard my neighbour's friend saying a child {not sure of age} of theirs has been vaccinated and caught covid...but was poorly, but otherwise ok.
Vaccines save lives.

@SweetBabyCheeses99

She died of myocarditis. Can be caused by viruses inc. covid or can also also be caused by Pfizer vaccine. It’s a reason not to get it.

This.

A very small number of children are going to have a deadly reaction to the virus and the vaccine. It’s desperately sad and not an argument for or against the vaccine. When they are working out vaccine safety, this is exactly the kind of thing they are balancing.

This family will be left feeling that if only their child had been vaccinated earlier she’s still be alive but there is absolutely no guarantee that would be the case. It is cruel to let them believe so.

Am glad the vaccine rollout to teenagers has started but wish it had been before the start of the school term so there would have been less disruption to education.

@liveforsummer

Since I had my first vaccine I've bled every week. Now I know apparently covid can cause issues with cycle but it's not something I've heard mentioned much but I've heard many reports about cycle disruption after vaccine including people I know personally who have also had covid. Not happy about my pre teen dd having the vaccine til we know more about this. Atm it's still being denied by many.

After having Covid I had very mixed up periods for about 6-7 months. It's happened before after I had pneumonia a few years back.

They'd been normal for a few nights this.
I had my flu jab a month ago and since then had more period issues.

Are the issues being caused by Covid? By any virus? The flu jab? My age?

Just because something happens around the time of an event it doesn't mean it's definitely the cause. I have no idea if my periods have been messed up due to Covid, due to a flu jab or simply due to my age. 🤷🏻‍♀️

COVID can affect periods too, isn’t it down to your immune system reacting to the virus? So you are still risking that impact if you don’t have the vaccine

After reading all these comments I'm feeling confident in our decision to hold off having our teens vaccinated just yet. I'm not saying never, just not yet.

They've had covid, they're sensible, they wear masks even when their peers don't. They know the risks of catching it again

My 16 year old had hers immediately when it became available she has long covid from contracting covid in March 2020. And she was very very unwell from it. I thought I was going to lose her then, no way on earth I’d have refused the jab for my two older DC’s.

[quote Takingabreakagain]@EasterIssland
You're right! Each time the targeted age group for vaccines comes around the tragic stories in the news seem to be about those groups who weren't jabbed. It's very manipulative and plays on people's fear[/quote]
But that's because they are largely unvaccinated at that time so of course there will be more cases in that group.

@Balonzette

Children have died from vaccine side effects, and become disabled.

Also, the vaccine doesn't seem to be very effective in stopping people getting covid, so I wouldn't risk the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't even stop the risk of covid.

This is just absolute rubbish and either you know it and you're spreading misinformation deliberately or you're so stupid you think it's true in which case someone else has spread the misinformation and you've bought into it.

The risk of dying unvaccinated is higher than if vaccinated.
Mine are getting vaccinated when the time comes.

My friends eight year old developed Kawasaki disease after having Covid. Covid can be a serious illness for children.

I’m surprised by the differences in the figures relating to covid coming out of the US compared with those coming out of the U.K. PHE published a document recently showing numbers of COVID cases split by unvaccinated/partially vaccinated and doubly vaccinated over a four week period up to mid September. I excluded under 18s as they are mass tested and very few vaccinated, so not comparable across groups. There were around 87,000 unvaxxed cases but over 270,000 double jabbed positive cases. There were 730 deaths in unvaxxed people and 2284 in double jabbed people. They used the “estimated” unvaxxed and vaxxed populations as denominator when giving rates per 100,000 people, which have a higher rate in the unvaxxed population as it is estimated to be very small. However, using the actual number of positive cases in each population as the denominator gives virtually the same rate of deaths per 100,000 cases, which came to 835 in the unvaxxed group and 825 in the vaxxed group. That’s a tiny difference and absolutely not statistically significant. The data shows that whether you are vaxxed or not, if you catch covid then you are statistically equally likely to die.

My dd1 (17) caught covid after the vaccine and was quite poorly, she’s still not fully recovered and now has the awful cold that’s going around too. I was double vaccinated and caught covid too. Dd2 (15) is un vaxxed and didn’t catch it despite me being her full time carer. I will not be getting her vaccinated and have refused too. Half of her class also refused it. She’s had extreme reactions to vaccinations before, the MMR landed her in hospital having seizures.

I’m fed up of people posting threads trying to encourage people to vaccinate their kids and slagging off people that decide not too. Of course it’s awful that a 15 year old has died but this is one case out of millions of teens that have contracted it. The chance of a teenager dying of covid is so tiny, there’s more chance of a teen dying from suicide or a RTA than there is covid.

No one should be judging parents for vaccinating or not vaccinating their children.

People that are vaccinated are still dying from covid and are still getting long covid, yes it reduces the risk but it’s not stopping covid.

The ignorance around vaccinations on this thread is incredible. You think after all this time that people would know not to trust word of mouth or media. Do proper research. Read scientific papers. Then come back and say why you won't be letting your kids get vaccinated.

ICU is full of young people, previously healthy, who are now struggling to breathe. Do you really want that for your kids? Honestly I wish people could come spend time in hospital to see what covid is STILL doing to people before saying they aren't getting vaccinated.

I always think its interesting that the majority no doubt got their kids their routine vaccinations throughout childhood. Did you do all your research then? Or were you one of the ones that autism was caused by MMR ?

That’s our point @changingstages
Weren’t kids at risk before their chance to be vaccinated arrived ? Are they dying now that it’s their turn to get vaccinated ?(same as the pregnant women)

Media plays with who has to get vaccinated now and focuses on those that have problems. A pregnant women was at risk a year ago but if someone died it’d not have been so much in the media as it’s now. Same as with kids

@OrganicBagel thats not what data from the US shows at all. One third of population vaccinated, 90% of hospital admissions and deaths from COVID are unvaccinated.

Porcupineintherough that’s exactly why I said..

I’m surprised by the differences in the figures relating to covid coming out of the US compared with those coming out of the U.K.

@OrganicBagel

I don’t say this from an anti vax stance, but rather from a data analysis point of view. I recently looked at ONS figures for deaths in the 15-19 age group in 2021 compared with the 5-year average from 2015-2019. In the 12 weeks prior to rollout of the vaccine to vulnerable children (and I think possibly also the 16-18 age group at the same time) there were slightly fewer deaths than the average over those 5 years. In the 12 weeks after the rollout began there was a 21% increase in deaths compared to the 5-year-average! I removed the number of covid-related deaths in that age group during that time (nine) and the increase was still around 16%. I checked the deaths in the younger age groups that weren’t yet vaxxed at that time (as far as I am aware) and in the 10-14 group and 5-9 age group the were around 12.5% fewer deaths than average. In real terms it was 35 (15-19 age group) deaths more than the average over the 12 week period compared with 8 fewer deaths in the younger age groups over the same period. I shall be watching the statistics with interest over the coming weeks as the rollout in schools has taken off. If these excess deaths or due to the vaccines then that will become very apparent when the 10-14 age group suddenly sees a huge increase in deaths having been less than average over the whole year so far.

Did you write the article published on the Expose/Daily Sceptic about this?

Porcupineintherough do they specify a time period for that 90%? Is it current deaths or deaths since the pandemic began?

LarkspurLane
Haha, no, I literally downloaded the data yesterday and analysed it. Do you have a link? Clearly there are more than just me looking at this data.

@OrganicBagel

I’m surprised by the differences in the figures relating to covid coming out of the US compared with those coming out of the U.K. PHE published a document recently showing numbers of COVID cases split by unvaccinated/partially vaccinated and doubly vaccinated over a four week period up to mid September. I excluded under 18s as they are mass tested and very few vaccinated, so not comparable across groups. There were around 87,000 unvaxxed cases but over 270,000 double jabbed positive cases. There were 730 deaths in unvaxxed people and 2284 in double jabbed people. They used the “estimated” unvaxxed and vaxxed populations as denominator when giving rates per 100,000 people, which have a higher rate in the unvaxxed population as it is estimated to be very small. However, using the actual number of positive cases in each population as the denominator gives virtually the same rate of deaths per 100,000 cases, which came to 835 in the unvaxxed group and 825 in the vaxxed group. That’s a tiny difference and absolutely not statistically significant. The data shows that whether you are vaxxed or not, if you catch covid then you are statistically equally likely to die.

But are they comparing like with like?

As people with vulnerabilities would have been more likely to get vaccinated & would have been vaccinated first?

And they would be a lot more likely to die of covid whichever way, but especially if they hadn't been vaccinated.

@Mummabug18

People are dying from it with and without having had vaccs. Make the decision for you and yours.

Look at the death rates since people started getting the vaccines, though. You might have reservations about the vaccines, but the facts are there that they have and will continue to prevent many, many deaths. It's incredibly stupid to come on here claiming otherwise.

@OrganicBagel,
"The data shows that whether you are vaxxed or not, if you catch covid then you are statistically equally likely to die."

If you have certain health conditions or are over 85. Those data is being compromised by the very elderly and frail who are double jabbed. If you look behind the data. Those who are younger and healthier are having more hospital admissions, ICU and being left very unwell etc than their peers who are double jabbed. But more importantly it's stopping the build up of circulation to a level were we will get mutations. We are trying to avoid a mutation that will affect children more than it does at present.
The data shows that boys are more at risk from complications of Covid than the vaccine. Every boy will eventually be catching Covid, somewhere in their school life.

@OrganicBagel thats now. The thing in the uk is, most peolle are vaccinated and most (vast majority) of unvaccinated are young, so deaths are going to mostly be in the vaccinated population because covid is more serious in the elderly. But we know vaccination works to prevent deaths as we are not seeing death rates like we did last Jan, even though the rate of infection is similar.

In the States vacination is a political issue and you have vaccinated and unvaccinated people of all age groups and its predominantly the unvaccinated who are dying. Vaccinated people do die, of course, but at nothing like the same rate.

Just to add it's sad but there's little that we can do to protect some categories of people from what will be to them, serious viruses.