15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

The thing that stands out is that so many people FOR the vaccine are also the ones no longer wearing masks.

My teens wear masks religiously, even though they don't have to.

We all know the vaccine isn't 100%, we all know we can still catch it and spread it, yet where are the masks????

@debbs77

The thing that stands out is that so many people FOR the vaccine are also the ones no longer wearing masks.

My teens wear masks religiously, even though they don't have to.

We all know the vaccine isn't 100%, we all know we can still catch it and spread it, yet where are the masks????

No more masks for me. Im done with them. If you choose not to be vaccinated then you crack on wearing one.

@debbs77

The thing that stands out is that so many people FOR the vaccine are also the ones no longer wearing masks.

My teens wear masks religiously, even though they don't have to.

We all know the vaccine isn't 100%, we all know we can still catch it and spread it, yet where are the masks????

Base rate fallacy? Most people have been vaccinated now. You need to looking at the proportion of pro vaccination vs anti wearing masks of not rather than the actual numbers.

It would be surprising if anti vaxxers were pro mask.

No
It’s sad but won’t make me change my mind

This is awful. My boys are having their jabs on Friday. I was never not going to give consent but I hope this makes people reconsider.

[quote Takingabreakagain]@bizboz
So would you say the vaccine is more about what you can and can't do such as travel rather than actual health benefits?
If you have recovered from covid already, particularly as a young person, then I can't understand how it would be of any great harm to you a second time.[/quote]
No, I was responding to the PP who asked why you would get the vaccine if you had already had COVID by saying that immunity is thought to last about 6 months. The COVID immunity certificates that some countries issue for 6 months was an example of this duration.

Gosh it’s so difficult. I’m in two minds whether to advise my daughter to get the vaccine or not. I feel like parents have such a difficult decision to make with not a lot of information and the information that is available to skewed or difficult to find

I’m sharing the New Scientist link posted by another pp earlier, as some people don’t seem to have seen it:
www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-cftm_utXljt8S0syIUdgJw

Agree with a pp that tragic news like Jorja are used to prop up whichever vaccine target group are being targeted.
A month or 2 ago we had pregnant women in the news and now it's moved onto children. I've no doubt there will be more tragic cases publicised to nudge people along.

Fwiw our DS is not getting vaccinated, maybe at some point in the future but not yet.
We're all trying to do the best for our kids, for some that means vaccinating against Covid, for others not vaccinating.
It's not mandatory so let's respect what is an individual decision.

Since I had my first vaccine I've bled every week. Now I know apparently covid can cause issues with cycle but it's not something I've heard mentioned much but I've heard many reports about cycle disruption after vaccine including people I know personally who have also had covid. Not happy about my pre teen dd having the vaccine til we know more about this. Atm it's still being denied by many.

@userxx

debbs77
The thing that stands out is that so many people FOR the vaccine are also the ones no longer wearing masks.

My teens wear masks religiously, even though they don't have to.

We all know the vaccine isn't 100%, we all know we can still catch it and spread it, yet where are the masks????

No more masks for me. Im done with them. If you choose not to be vaccinated then you crack on wearing one.

You do realise that being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from getting COVID don’t you? DH is a Dr-one of his colleagues who is double jabbed and had COVID the first time round, is currently ventilated in ITU and is more than likely going to die. He has young children. Please Don’t minimise the risks with your crack on comments.

It has worried me. DS2 has had one jab and invited to book his second - I have had three texts this week asking him to do it - but he currently has covid. DS1 has had both jabs. DD refuses to have it. She's 18.

The thing that stands out is that so many people FOR the vaccine are also the ones no longer wearing masks.

How do you even know that? Do you go round asking everybody on the local bus whether they have been vaccinated or not?

@liveforsummer

Since I had my first vaccine I've bled every week. Now I know apparently covid can cause issues with cycle but it's not something I've heard mentioned much but I've heard many reports about cycle disruption after vaccine including people I know personally who have also had covid. Not happy about my pre teen dd having the vaccine til we know more about this. Atm it's still being denied by many.

Since having the vaccine my cycle has also changed

DS1 has already had the jab, but a story of a single case wouldn't have influenced my decision, no.

[quote Takingabreakagain]@HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime
Surely having recovered from covid she now has natural immunity and doesn't need a vaccine?[/quote]
All the reports I've read is that at least one vaccine shit after having Covid itself is best.

Across many countries it's been deemed that at least one dose of the vaccine should be given even if someone has had Covid before. And many give a time period too saying that a second dose is needed xxx amount to of time after the Covid virus was detected.

I suspect the risk of the vaccine is greater for children

You don't need to 'suspect' anything.
Official research, analysis and reports have been done by the people who actually know about this stuff.

And their findings don't match your suspicions.

The risk of having and discerning from those complications are greater with the Covid virus than from the vaccine.

@MrsElijahMikaelson1 of course I realise that. I'm not minimising anything, it's personal choice to be vaccinated or to wear a mask. I'm choosing not to wear a mask.

Where does the idea that immunity from an illness is better than immunity from a vaccine come from? Is it because vaccines are man made?

I don't actually know either way, BTW, but I see this said a lot almost as though it's so obvious it doesn't need a source and I wondered where it came from originally.

@Takingabreakagain

It's really sad when a young person dies. But it's one person - how many teens have had covid and barely been ill? Thousands but it's not news to report mild cases. People need to keep some perspective on the situation and shouldn't panic over this. We still do not know what the long term impacts of the vaccine are and how it will affect young people.

It's the Russian Roulette nature of the illness that makes people so nervous and risk averse though.

[quote Takingabreakagain]@PeachesPumpkin
It's put on the death certificate if they tested positive in the last 28 days. There can be more than one reason on the death certificate[/quote]
That's bit true.

It's reported as a death 28 days following a positive pcr test for government and other statistics.

But it does not mean it goes on a death certificate. Covid only appears on the death certificate if the person reporting the death believes Covid was a primary or secondary cause.

My nana died following a positive Covid test. Covid is NOT mentioned anywhere in her death certificate.

Due to his work dh sees a lot of death certificates. He has not seen any where Covid is listed when the death was clearly caused by other causes.

You are mixing up the reporting of ' death within 28 days' data and the information out in death certificates. They are not the same thing.

@BertieBotts

The sources i have read say that immunity from vaccine is better than from infection alone.

www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

She wasn’t being denied the vaccine. She simply hadn’t reached her appointment time so it’s not really a pro- or anti- vaccination thing and it’s pretty distasteful to make it one tbh.

Seriously, that was your first thought? MN is a pit this morning.

@Abraxan

Is a vaccine shit the first shit you take post-vaccine, or do you need to wait a while for it to work it's way through?

@Takingabreakagain

It's really sad when a young person dies. But it's one person - how many teens have had covid and barely been ill? Thousands but it's not news to report mild cases. People need to keep some perspective on the situation and shouldn't panic over this. We still do not know what the long term impacts of the vaccine are and how it will affect young people.

Whole heartedly agree- awful but the stats are the stats- the risk to young boys hearts and the unknown changes to periods I would in no way presently have any child of mine vaccinated