15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

It's the middle category that we are aiming to make the outcome better for.

Vaccines save lives. Vaccines prevent serious illness for those who weren't at risk of dying.

Countries where teens aged 12+ are now all fully vaccinated, are seeing less cases amongst that age group, less school disruptions, less cases overall.

My 16 year old brother currently has Covid, in the form of a mild cold. Our vaccinated mother has only lost her sense of smell. Our Covid-denier father was put on oxygen last week in the hospital. He's now home but can't stand for longer than 20 minutes before having to take a nap again.

The two teens from Covid-denier families they all caught it from - ages 15 and 13 - were in bed for one week and are still feeling pretty weak. These were two healthy, active and strong teens. Their parents didn't allow them to stay home when they were ill, instead dragged them to friends' houses even when the girls said they wanted to rest. They still won't vaccinate themselves or the kids.

Yes, vaccines have risks. Catching Covid is far riskier, for any age group.

That's tragic but it is a case in a million, so I don't think that will change the decision of most. if someone doesn't want the vaccine for their kids, they still won't have it. A small number of kids also die of chickenpox each year in the UK and the vaccine is not even on the vaccine schedule (it is in other countries and the vaccine exists).
I am not an anti vaxxer by any stretch of the imagination, but you cannot based any decision in anecdotal cases. The reality is that for the vast majority of teenagers, covid is very mild.
Of course there is going to be deaths from every single illness, I am sure there are some teenagers that have die from flu too but also really rare and not on the news.

It would be surprising if anti vaxxers were pro mask.

Antivaxxers don’t need masks. They are protected by keeping their heads shoved in the sand.

@SinisterBumFacedCat

The risk from myocarditis is much higher from covid than from the vaccine.
Just like the risk of blood clots is much higher from catching covid than from the vaccine.
The only “safe” way is to not be vaccinated AND exposed at all by full isolation and that’s close to impossible in the U.K.

Antivaxxers don’t need masks.

All the unvaccinated people I know, including me, are all still wearing masks.

@SinisterBumFacedCat

It would be surprising if anti vaxxers were pro mask.

Antivaxxers don’t need masks. They are protected by keeping their heads shoved in the sand.

Funnily enough, my anti-vaxxer father, who is also a Covid-denier, happily wears a mask and pulls others up on it.

It makes absolutely no sense. He gets Covid and then blames the rest of the family for bringing it to him - but he thinks Covid doesn't exist?

He is afraid of getting the jab but also afraid of going to spaces where people aren't wearing masks properly - but then I think this is his need for virtue signaling that comes out on top here.

There are many insane people around, and the way they reason makes absolutely no sense whatsoever so it's not worth it trying to understand them.

Do you have a source for this?

Myocarditis is more common after covid-19 infection than vaccination

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination

Study: Myocarditis risk 37 times higher for children with COVID-19 than uninfected peers

@Porcupineintherough

Covid infection is 6 times more likely to cause myocarditis in younger people than the Pfizer vaccine. Worried about myocarditis? Then get vaccinated against COVID.

This.

What is the most sad about this is she will have been in a school with no mitigations (leading to a very high viral dose probably), and this government is allowing covid to run rampant in schools because 'children only get it mildly'.

One death because of this strategy is one death too many.

MITIGATE THE RISK IN SCHOOLS. They could have CO2 monitors, air filtration and ventilation before you even get to masks and they are doing none of this, they are risking children's health when they could put in place mitigations.

@SinisterBumFacedCat

It would be surprising if anti vaxxers were pro mask.

Antivaxxers don’t need masks. They are protected by keeping their heads shoved in the sand.

🤣🤣

EileenGC

Clearly your father isn’t making any sense at all.

I’m unvaccinated, know covid exists, wear a mask, don’t judge others for their choices on masks or vaccination status and I’m not insane. 😬

I don’t know anyone like your father. It’s hard to believe this is true to be honest. He’s covid denier but wears a mask, have you asked him what he’s wearing it for if covid doesn’t exist? How can he blame others for giving him something that he says doesn’t exist? Again have you asked him. I’d be questioning him as I think he sounds like he is very ill if it’s true and needs medical assistance.

Of course there are people that say people like this exist to try to make unvaccinated people seem insane.

People are dying from it with and without having had vaccs. Make the decision for you and yours.

A tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of people still dying are dying of covid in spite of having had the vaccine, or are dying and ill as a direct result of the vaccine itself rather than from Covid. I honestly cannot fathom how people are still too thick or pig headed to understand and acknowledge this simple fact. Nothing in life is ever entirely risk free but you and your children are statistically much safer vaccinated than unvaccinated by ANY measure you care to use.

It won't change my mind as I was always going to have my children vaccinated as soon as possible; to protect them, to protect others, and to improve their chances of not having their schooling interrupted.

I do think that this, sad as it is, though, is an incredibly rare event, and a child's chance of dying of COVID is vanishingly small, and far less than getting run over, for instance.

I do feel that there is whiff of propaganda in the publicity it is getting, even though it is in a good cause.

@SuperstarDog oh gosh yes, he is ill, that’s a fact. Refuses any help, but he’s not mentally well and we all know it.

Luckily I live thousands of miles away from him but he’s still spouting all this nonsense on a regular basis.

He wears a mask because he believes he’s better than everyone else at complying with rules, so he needs to follow them. He’s tried many explanations as to why he tested positive for Covid - the staff at the hospital injected it into him (when he actually needed an IV for fluids due to Covid), my siblings are friends with people who are ‘in the system’ and use their kids as transmission vectors for this government-controlled virus.

He is not well. I just wanted to give an example of how someone can be both an anti-vaxxer and/or Covid-denier and still wear a mask and comply with other rules.

Luckily I know these are isolated cases and I have many other friends and relatives who haven’t been vaccinated. They are all sane, normal people who had their own reasons for it, and are still behaving responsibly and decently.

@mrstrickland

The ignorance around vaccinations on this thread is incredible. You think after all this time that people would know not to trust word of mouth or media. Do proper research. Read scientific papers. Then come back and say why you won't be letting your kids get vaccinated.

ICU is full of young people, previously healthy, who are now struggling to breathe. Do you really want that for your kids? Honestly I wish people could come spend time in hospital to see what covid is STILL doing to people before saying they aren't getting vaccinated.

I always think its interesting that the majority no doubt got their kids their routine vaccinations throughout childhood. Did you do all your research then? Or were you one of the ones that autism was caused by MMR ?

Is it?? What’s your definition of young people with regards to this post? I don’t think ICU is full of children at all now is it??!!

For someone that’s started their post off with ‘research’ and ‘ignorance’, I’m astonished to think you could proclaim ICU is full of children when it’s not.

I can even understand why people don't like masks in schools because I can see how it impedes communication. But while rates are so high it is a huge failure of those adults in charge to allow children to just be infected ESPECIALLY when vaccination is within reach for so many.

But at these rates of infection most children will be infected by the time they can be vaccinated and have protection (3 weeks after vaccination). My DDs school won't start vaccinating until end of October, plus 3 weeks is mid November. It's rampant in schools now - my DD had lessons cancelled last week because they didn't have enough teachers.

It's so tragic, my heart goes out to her and her family.
But it's not a one-off case. 10 children died just in England in September. If that continues, that's 120 in a year. (Hopefully that number will go down as vaccinations are rolled out). But if that number were dying of something else that's avoidable there would be uproar.
This is avoidable with ventilation and masks in schools - and a faster rollout of vaccinations. It's so sad and it's so unnecessary when we do have things we could do to prevent this.

@duffeldaisy

It's so tragic, my heart goes out to her and her family. But it's not a one-off case. 10 children died just in England in September. If that continues, that's 120 in a year. (Hopefully that number will go down as vaccinations are rolled out). But if that number were dying of something else that's avoidable there would be uproar. This is avoidable with ventilation and masks in schools - and a faster rollout of vaccinations. It's so sad and it's so unnecessary when we do have things we could do to prevent this.

100% agree.

If 10 children had died because of fires in schools that had no fire risk mitigation in the last month there would be uproar.

People have their head in the sand.

Including the media who should be compiling and reporting on the statistics and not just individual cases.

Hasn't changed her mind (I've given my 12 year old the right to make her own choice) she has always wanted to have the vaccine like her older sisters have.

Sadly she had Covid 2 weeks ago and while she was generally not to bad it's knocked her off her feet with tiredness and she's also been vomiting on and off since she had it - so she's missing a lot of school - it's nasty

To be honest, yes it has changed my mind. Well, I was on the fence and letting my teens decide for themselves. One wanted it, one wanted to be led by me. After reading the article this morning, I've told them both to have it this week.

Why is their always this anti vax/ covid deniers . There is such a thing as being in between?

I do wounder about the research of stuff I mean you can research day any night you can't (know) what you have read is 100% true. And if the government don't want you to know something then they will make sure you don't find out .

My 19 year old had it twice. He was really ill the first time not enough for hospital. The 2nd time was a bit milder but was still quite ill. His sense of taste has never been what it used to be. He's had both his jabs. I do wounder if he would have had anti bodies ?

Dd who's 11 got it. A few weeks ago . Hers was very mild . Just had paracetamol. And she was her normal self felt like she was bunking off.

I do find it odd that it's highly contagious but yet you can have DH and DW sharing a bed and only 1 gets it.

Rest in peace Jorja. You had your whole life ahead of you and you were let down by this government and the adults in schools who did nothing to control a controllable risk.