15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

@CornishGem1975 would people still have their children vaccinated after they’ve been infected? The JCVI only found a marginal health benefit against risk, so surely that gets tilted even further away from benefit if the child is already immune after infection?

@LargeYorkshirePuddingAndGravy

but that's the same for any illness that has a vaccination> So i take it you haven't immunised your self or your child for anything?

@Covidworries or perhaps she’s vaccinated her children against diseases that are actually risky in childhood?

but they may not get them and even if the do they may not be badly effected

@LargeYorkshirePuddingAndGravy

Well yes, that would be ideal, but my DDs secondary school has 30 children in classrooms. No masks, no co2 monitors, no air filtration, no social distancing and windows that only open a crack. They move classrooms for every lesson and mix with different children every lesson. There are 180 children in the year group (and then obviously other year groups that use those same classrooms, adding to lovely airborne mix of pathogens no doubt).

I have spoken both here and IRL to headteachers and my MP at great length about the options for mitigation of covid risk in school and no-one cares - they are taking steps to actively infect as many as possible. The risk assessment for the school is laughable, it's all about handwashing.

The whole year did a half hour activity in the hall last week (180 kids, well probably less than that as quite a lot are off with covid) which has no windows.

They've had to cancel lessons this week due to lack of teachers (off with covid) and a significant number of children are off sick. We are not told if it's covid by the school but parents talk and I know of at least 2 of DDs friends off with covid at the moment, one of whom is really very ill.

So at the moment in state secondaries, there is no option of not being exposed. Which is why I want to know what the risks are of having a vaccine within 28 days because some of the kids in that school will have covid asymptomatically at the moment 100% certainty.

Only a small number of kids are doing LFTs as well. I can see why, the only reason to do it is to protect others and since no-one's obviously bothered about protecting them it gives the distinct message it doesn't really matter if you catch covid. So why bother? Children (in my experience) don't like doing it at all, it's invasive and unpleasant. Since it doesn't stop exposure only tells you once you've caught it, why bother? (I am doing it for the sake of CEV parents and children, but most aren't).

My heart goes out to the CEV parents and children who will exist in every large school.

If you don't get vaccinated you still have to catch covid before you can have any side effects from covid. If you're taking other precautions it's possible you may never catch it and so avoiding all side effects on offer

Short of living alone in a cave, the likelihood that you will eventually be exposed to the highly contagious delta variant approaches a certainty. You will then have to fight the virus without the benefit of vaccine-induced immunity. This is why the vast majority of patients hospitalized with covid are unvaccinated.

Countries are giving up on the idea that they can prevent the spread of the delta variant.

www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/zero-covid-strategies-abandoned-in-the-face-of-the-delta-variant.html

That argument doesn’t stack up. The principle is the same for both, there is no certainty, it’s just a case of where you fancy your odds.

You get the vaccine, you put yourself “in the firing line” for side effects, but you still have to be one of the people who gets the side effects before you can be impacted.

You don’t get the vaccine, you are “putting yourself in the firing line” of being one of the people to get COVID and with bad symptoms.

I know which odds seem better to me.

The expectation is that everyone will be exposed to covid now, certainly anyone in education in schools.

Vaccine: tiny dose of medication designed, as far as medical science is able, to provoke an immune response and do no harm.

Covid: new pathogen which has killed 150k+ in the UK alone, including a small number of children, with the potential to cause an overwhelming infection, and well documented potential for organ damage.

You can guess what we chose.

@herecomesthsun

The expectation is that everyone will be exposed to covid now, certainly anyone in education in schools.

Vaccine: tiny dose of medication designed, as far as medical science is able, to provoke an immune response and do no harm.

Covid: new pathogen which has killed 150k+ in the UK alone, including a small number of children, with the potential to cause an overwhelming infection, and well documented potential for organ damage.

You can guess what we chose.

out of those 150k how many were under 18s?

do you know what causes a lot of problems with covid? not vaccinating people.. but not in the uk, in india, indonesia, Ghana or many other countries that dont have access to the vaccines.. it's very good saying that I've to vaccinate my 3yo just in case he catches it and unluckily dies, but until not everyone in the word is vaccinated or has access to vaccines then we wont be over this pandemic. it makes more sense to use many of the vaccines the uk is using in other countries to avoid future variants that are resistant to the current vaccines.

*world

a small number (though that number is slowly rising)

It isn't in the papers much, but I understand about 10 in the last month or so.

I wouldn't say you have to vaccinate your 3 year old though.

12-15s might be a good idea, as they are in school etc, but no one has to vaccinate them either

@herecomesthsun

I wouldn't say you have to vaccinate your 3 year old though.

12-15s might be a good idea, as they are in school etc, but no one has to vaccinate them either

you say that today as there is no vaccine, lets see what people say when the 5-12 vaccine is released and also the 0-5 one is

But no one is being compelled to vaccinate children; even people who really want to get their vulnerable teen children vaccinated have barely managed to get doses.

[quote bumbleymummy]@CornishGem1975 would people still have their children vaccinated after they’ve been infected? The JCVI only found a marginal health benefit against risk, so surely that gets tilted even further away from benefit if the child is already immune after infection?[/quote]
Can't speak for everyone but yes, my friends whose children have had COVID will be vaccinated.

I definitely want my DDs vaccinated. But I am worried about why there's a 28 day gap recommended after having covid, and worried that she could well have / have had it asymptomatically, given her school is Covid Central.

Is this merely precaution (sadly lacking elsewhere) or not, does anyone know? Seems like this is pretty important info for parents with kids in school right now.

They probably don't know, do they. Great.

She died of myocarditis which she may already have had prior to catching covid, many people unknowingly live with this.

My DS is a few months short of 12 so not eligible, I don’t think he needs it. This story is very sad, I’m not anti vax and I’m double vaccinated myself but I don’t think children need the vaccine at all. This girl is one of a very small number of children who have died, the majority had an underlying condition and I would argue she did too.

And how do you know your son doesn't have an underlying condition @Generallystruggling? Had him checked for cardiac inflammation recently? Would his life be less valuable if he did have an underlying condition or is that only other people's kids?

Look if you dont want your kids vaccinated then dont get them vaccinated. The good thing is its a choice.

But dontsprout rubbish about she alread had mycarditis. She had no imderlying health conditions. It is highly probable that had she not contracted covid or had been bacconated earlier in yr thay she would not have died.

Ot is up to you to decide what to do regarding vaccination.

@CornishGem1975 Don’t really understand why tbh. An additional risk when they’ve already had the virus and are most likely immune.

@bumbleymummy

Information from the CDC -

Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

This is tragic. As is the death of any young person but it won’t make me change my mind about having my teens vaccinated against covid,

@Parker231 was that study carried out in young people?

There are a few studies showing the opposite including, iirc, info from the Zoe app showing fewer reinfections after the virus than infections after the virus.

Sorry -

fewer reinfections after the virus than infections after the vaccine*.