15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

Ah stats are already in this thread - 1 in 6000 from the vaccine, not covid, is what I am aware of.

I don’t think you can compare this to small pox…

No, of course, it's different. But the point still stands - any parent would bitterly regret not vaccinating a child against a disease that ended up killing them. I'm very glad that this particular family won't have to deal with that regret, at least.

As for the everything is dangerous brigade, do you say that on all threads or is it just the COVID ones?

@SinisterBumFacedCat nobody's really interested in starting threads about the very small number of children who die from flu, chicken pox etc, it would seem that potential risks of covid are the only risks worth discussing

@AlexaShutUp

I don’t think you can compare this to small pox…

No, of course, it's different. But the point still stands - any parent would bitterly regret not vaccinating a child against a disease that ended up killing them. I'm very glad that this particular family won't have to deal with that regret, at least.

Yes, I agree with that and I understand where you’re coming from in that respect, regarding the family.

@silkience

As for the everything is dangerous brigade, do you say that on all threads or is it just the COVID ones?

@SinisterBumFacedCat nobody's really interested in starting threads about the very small number of children who die from flu, chicken pox etc, it would seem that potential risks of covid are the only risks worth discussing

This. Isn’t this the truth.

She died of myocarditis. Can be caused by viruses inc. covid or can also also be caused by Pfizer vaccine. It’s a reason not to get it.

Vaccinations with Pfizer have a risk of 4.3 myocarditis cases per million doses and 3.8 pericarditis cases per million doses.

Contracting covid gives a risk of 450 per million COVID-19 cases for males aged 12 to 17, 601 cases for males aged 12 to 15 and 561 cases for males aged 16 to 19. For females aged 12 to 17, the myocarditis cases were estimated to be 213 per million COVID-19 cases, 235 per million cases for females aged 12 to 15 and 708 per million cases for females aged 16 to 19.

This is from the gov.uk website.

Vaccine definitely carries a lower risk of myocarditis than actually catching covid.

@Clocktopus

Thank you for stats. Was there any stats on risk in children at an increase of Mycarditis from congenital heart disease?

Not that I could see but their consultant should be able to discuss that with you on an individual basis, presuming they have one?

One of my DC has a medical condition that has increased risk of infections and their consultant was happy to discuss future vaccination risks with me after DC got an infection in the vaccine site of a previous vaccine (basically the site where the needle broke their skin got infected, I didn't even know that was a thing until it happened).

@Covidworries

86 Uk children have dies of covid so far. 1000s are suffering from long covid.

Its all very well saying 1000s have just had mild symptoms if your child is one of the lucky ones but have some compassion for the families that have not been so lucky.

Have some comprehension that no one can predict how their child could be impacted by covid.

This is how I feel. Your child could sail through a mild case, have a severe case, get long covid, or die. No one knows. It’s all very well to say the risk is small, but someone’s child is dying. The death of a child broke me completely and I could not live with losing another.

I’ve read a study previously about the loss of taste and smell this disease causes is actually causing damage in those areas of the brain. Long term they think it may lead to Alzheimer’s. For me that’s not worth the risk of catching it as we don’t know how our specific body will react to it.

from ONS stats to 17 Sept, 3 children less than a year old died from covid, 8 under 14 and 44 people under 24.
I found the age groupings interesting - implies that ONS counts 15+ as adult.

Children have died from vaccine side effects, and become disabled.

Also, the vaccine doesn't seem to be very effective in stopping people getting covid, so I wouldn't risk the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't even stop the risk of covid.

*that was only since Feb 21

It's very dangerous to let stories about 1 individual out of 60+ million people influence your decisions. Look at the data and make your own decisions...

When we start looking at individual stories than it's just about which story a particular individual sees first. What if it's a story about one of the kids who has died from myocarditis or blood clots from vaccine?

So no an individual story doesn't change my opinion about anything anywhere. Doesn't mean COVID isn't dangerous just means some anecdotal story doesn't influence my decisions.

15 year olds were allowed to make their own decision about being vaccinated so it may be the family. Hopefully it will make people realise that they still need to take precautions.

Her parents didn’t refuse she was due to have the vaccine the day she died but was isolating after a positive per test.

@Balonzette

Children have died from vaccine side effects, and become disabled.

Also, the vaccine doesn't seem to be very effective in stopping people getting covid, so I wouldn't risk the vaccine when the vaccine doesn't even stop the risk of covid.

"People who are not fully vaccinated are eight times more likely to test positive, 41 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 57 times more likely to die compared to people who are vaccinated."

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/10/01/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-59/

@BootsScootsAndToots

I know a woman whose two year old died of chickenpox. Fucking chickenpox. But I didn't rush out to vaccinate my dc against it, and most parents don't.

Well I don't understand why you wouldn't vaccinate against chickenpox. I paid for both my DC to receive it when we lived in the UK because the fact they don't offer it, doesn't mean you shouldn't take it.

It just means the NHS saves money.

For adults who have already had chickenpox it's good to be exposed to kids who have the chickenpox, it boosts your immunity to shingles.

Cases of shingles are rising in younger people and I think the shingles vaccine is only recommended for people over 50, and I believe the NHS only give it to people over 70.

So it appears that lack of exposure to kids with chicken pox could be what is causing the increase in shingles in younger people and they are not eligible for the shingles vaccine.

Kids vaccinated against chickenpox can also develop shingles later in life (but their risk is less than those who got the virus) but again if they're not being exposed to other kids with chicken pox they're not getting the immunity boost against shingles.

@HerRoyalNotness
Don't you see that for those of us that don't want to have our children vaccinated that we are using the very same logic but that we are just on the other side?
We don't know how our childrens bodies would react to the vaccine.

We are all making the decision that we believe is best.

@BootsScootsAndToots
I forgot to say that I'm not saying that that's why parents should choose not to vaccinate their own kids against chickenpox...so that they get the booster themselves

What I meant by my post was the chicken pox vaccine can have a knock on effect on something else so it isn't as clear cut as some of the other ones!

I talked this through with my children last night (I have 4 teens).

We said that rather than them have the vaccine in the school roll out in 2 weeks, we will wait a little longer and then go to a walk in centre.

Ultimately they all need to have it for their chosen careers and to simply move forward in life which doesn't seem very fair.

I've not yet had it myself, so for them to have it before I do seems like sending them into the lions den, so when we have it we will have it together

@x2boys

This is heartbreaking, my 14 year old son has already had covid and thankfully wasn't really that ill with it Hes having his covid vaccination on Tuesday, he wants it and i want him to have it That poor family my heart goes out to them.

I really don't understand this? What am I missing? He's had an illness so now has immunity, better than a vaccine can provide. Why would he be vaccinated after having the illness?

@SweetBabyCheeses99

She died of myocarditis. Can be caused by viruses inc. covid or can also also be caused by Pfizer vaccine. It’s a reason not to get it.

Look at the comparative risks. Which is more likely, getting covid and ending up with one of its many nasty serious side effects, or being left with long covid, or getting one of the very rare side effects of the vaccine?

My children are adults so made the decision for themselves. I was hugely relieved that they both got double vaccinated at the first opportunity, as did my husband and I and my parents. All of us are fine, for what that's worth.

@debbs77

I talked this through with my children last night (I have 4 teens).

We said that rather than them have the vaccine in the school roll out in 2 weeks, we will wait a little longer and then go to a walk in centre.

Ultimately they all need to have it for their chosen careers and to simply move forward in life which doesn't seem very fair.

I've not yet had it myself, so for them to have it before I do seems like sending them into the lions den, so when we have it we will have it together

Doesn't seem very fair? You do understand that mass vaccination is about trying to stop vulnerable people getting an infection that can cause death or serious illness. Healthy people need to have it if they want to work with vulnerable people to keep the vulnerable people safe. How and why is that unfair? Most HCPs have to have tetanus jabs and often hepatitis jabs too, quite possibly others - TB? I'm not an HCP, so don't know, but I'd want my HCPs to have everything going, if they are medically fit for it.

I feel like using this poor girl’s story, either for or against, is in very poor taste, and a really cheap shot.

@noshiforever because the vaccine means that he will be less likely to get long COVID/worse symptoms if he does get COVID again. Which is possible. I don't want my kids getting long COVID which is why they'll get the vaccine (it's up to them and I left them to decide, not my body, not my decision, but both of them and their group of friends are all for it which I am glad about).

I feel like there are some really weird comments on this thread that are very 'my team your team' or brainwashy, and I feel that might well be the effects of mad social media content which I don't use thank God. People don't realise how it messes with their minds.