15yr old girl died of covid

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671

Will this make people reconsider allowing their teenagers to have the vaccine.
Yes or No?

It’s made me think a lot about it even though my child isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. If the times comes I think I will be much more convinced than I maybe was before.

I can just see future threads. My child had mycarditis and was fine. Some people make such a fuss etc etc

@Verite1

Suggesting that the decision is a no brainer is just offensive and off-putting. The decision is finely balanced - that was recognised by the JCVI. Nor is all the research one way. I have read the new scientist research. But I have also read the report that stated that the risk of myocarditis is 3.7-6.1 higher than the risk of hospitalisation in boys aged 12-15.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

It is extremely difficult to make a decision when there is such conflicting information and the suggestion that those parents who chose to wait have not done their “research” is simply untrue.

I'm pro vaccine in the UK because covid rates in kids are so insanely high.

But I do agree with this.

The criminal thing is denying parents the choice of vaccination and doing absolutely nothing else at all to prevent covid spread in schools - getting rid of bubbles and isolation of close contacts. It was obvious what was going to happen and yet again we've discovered that the 2+2=4 of covid is true again. I.e. indoor, close contact environments with no mitigations lead to incredibly fast spread.

In fact the government's stance looks suspiciously like trying to deliberately infect kids with covid.

No-one's discussing viral dose either. The evidence shows wearing a mask reduces viral dose and lower viral dose has been correlated with less severe covid (which makes logical sense). Put 30 kids in a classroom with no ventilation, then have another 30 kids in that same classroom for the next hour. The viral dose in classrooms will be high.

I completely agree with @theemperorhasnoclothes

We have been way behind other developed countries worldwide in offering vaccines especially to vulnerable children, and some of those children will pay a very high price, a few will pay the highest price for that.

@Porcupineintherough

Covid infection is 6 times more likely to cause myocarditis in younger people than the Pfizer vaccine. Worried about myocarditis? Then get vaccinated against COVID.

@SweetBabyCheeses99 This!

I feel very cross at the JCVI and the government. They could have said they thought people should have the choice, whilst saying they thought it was a finely balanced risk. People could have really taken 'personal responsibility' and parental responsibility then.

Instead they blocked it and blocked it until it was too late to provide any protection when the new term started.

The vaccinations will be too late for too many kids.

I hope the JCVI feel awful. But I doubt they do because they're in their ivory towers and it's not their kids that are suffering.

I find it fascinating that people keep defending the JCVI. So was the rest of Europe wrong then, in vaccinating all teenagers before schools went back? Now the vast majority of over 12s are fully jabbed, schools aren't as disrupted and children aren't dropping like flies out of school for endless isolations and waits for tests.

If the vaccine is so bad, why has literally every other country authorized it in under 16s? How many hundreds of deaths from the Covid vaccine in European teens are you seeing in the news?

They made some good calls earlier in the pandemic, admittedly.

@PurpleDaisies

Teens were offered the vaccine because of impact on school closures not because they benefit overall from the jab.

Yes, but the JCVI still did acknowledge that the benefits of being vaccinated on pure health grounds did outweigh the risks by a small margin.

Not enough to recommend it for all teens though, particularly because “substantial uncertainty remains regarding the health risks associated with these adverse events.”

There is also substantial uncertainty around the long term health risks of getting covid.

Which is one reason that other countries opted for vaccination & mitigations as far as possible rather creating a situation in which teenagers are inevitably exposed to covid infection.

Very sad and also very rare
Really feel for the family but it’s still a no for my kids. Kids die from complications of usually mild illnesses snd it’s very sad but also unusual. Teenagers get breast cancer but we don’t rush to start mammograms at 15 because in adolescents, it’s rare. Complications from covid are also rare

I won't decide what I want my teen to do based on fate of one 15yo, no.

I suppose I might base the decision on fate of > 1000 teens who got myocarditis, & thousands of 15 yr olds who had asymptomatic infection.

@herecomesthsun

There is also substantial uncertainty around the long term health risks of getting covid.

Which is one reason that other countries opted for vaccination & mitigations as far as possible rather creating a situation in which teenagers are inevitably exposed to covid infection.

Not so much uncertainty with over 18 months worth of data.

@lljkk

Do you even know what myocarditis is, and what the actual risks and outcomes are? Very, very few people with myocarditis are ill, few even know they have it.

Which is pretty much the same view some have of Covid.

Stop acting like myocarditis is a death sentence.

I have cardiologist colleague and a friend had pericarditis so I know what that experience was like for her. So yes I know a bit about it. I follow this guy on Twitter who is unhappy about bouts of it being deemed benign, too.

My 15 yo has been off sick for 2 weeks with Covid and has been extremely poorly. This is not always a mild illness in children.

@lljkk

The british heart foundation os advising children get the vaccination

I think it's too late for a lot of kids to get the vaccine, given it's not advised to have it within 28 days of infection. So many will have to wait until they've got past that point. And if, in England, they're only doing the vaccination in schools how will these children even access the vaccine?

What if a child has the virus asymptomatically? Is there a risk to the vaccine then? Why do they advise 28 days post infection? It's so incredibly out of control in schools I can't see many children escaping for much longer: some of them will be asymptomatic.

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I think it's too late for a lot of kids to get the vaccine, given it's not advised to have it within 28 days of infection. So many will have to wait until they've got past that point. And if, in England, they're only doing the vaccination in schools how will these children even access the vaccine?

What if a child has the virus asymptomatically? Is there a risk to the vaccine then? Why do they advise 28 days post infection? It's so incredibly out of control in schools I can't see many children escaping for much longer: some of them will be asymptomatic.

Hopefully most of the asymptomatic ones will be picked up by the regular lateral flow tests if people are doing them properly?

I don't think they will. The false negative rate on lateral flows is very high, 50% when not done by nurses I've read. I know my daughter doesn't really try and get a deep sample, but she finds it distressing but it's uncomfortable to do it so often and I just keep hoping I'd at least get a faint line if she were positive, but I know so many people who've had negative lateral flows and been positive on PCR (and symptomatic).

I have a nurse friend who tested positive on PCR and negative on 4 lateral flows even though part of her job is swabbing other people, so she was definitely doing it correctly. She had symptoms so did a PCR via work to double check. Positive.

And that, of course, is why the innova lateral flows were banned by the CDC in the USA. Because of the risks of over reliance on a very inaccurate test with high false negative rate.

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I think it's too late for a lot of kids to get the vaccine, given it's not advised to have it within 28 days of infection. So many will have to wait until they've got past that point. And if, in England, they're only doing the vaccination in schools how will these children even access the vaccine?

What if a child has the virus asymptomatically? Is there a risk to the vaccine then? Why do they advise 28 days post infection? It's so incredibly out of control in schools I can't see many children escaping for much longer: some of them will be asymptomatic.

You have a point and we are doing LFT for yet to be vaccinated

Why do they advise against it? Ie what are the issues that might arise

Given the JCVI didn't want to give the green light to the vaccine over the summer so most kids could have it when not in school and less exposed, I wonder what their view is on the risks (if there are any?) of giving the vaccine to kids who've had asymptomatic covid infection within 28 days. Given the lateral flows likely won't pick up a very large number of them.

I don't even know if it's a real risk or they're just being precautionary (which would be grimly comic really given the lack of precaution in taking steps to deliberately infect as many kids as possible).

It’s sad but not changed my mind. How can I let my children get a vaccine when we don’t even know yet what the side effects are?

I missed 3 periods from having the vaccine! (It was AZ, I had it before they then claimed my year group will now have PZ and not AZ!!) No good telling me AFTER!

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I think it's too late for a lot of kids to get the vaccine, given it's not advised to have it within 28 days of infection. So many will have to wait until they've got past that point. And if, in England, they're only doing the vaccination in schools how will these children even access the vaccine?

What if a child has the virus asymptomatically? Is there a risk to the vaccine then? Why do they advise 28 days post infection? It's so incredibly out of control in schools I can't see many children escaping for much longer: some of them will be asymptomatic.

I believe there's going to be a catch up...and the teams will go back into the schools in a month or so to pick up those who couldn't have it first time around.

It's not a straight either/or between having the vaccine or having covid. There's a third scenario, where they don't have either which nobody seems to talk about.

When someone has the vaccine they are putting themselves in the direct line for side effects. They may not get any but they also might.

If you don't get vaccinated you still have to catch covid before you can have any side effects from covid. If you're taking other precautions it's possible you may never catch it and so avoiding all side effects on offer