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To think this is relatively normal behaviour for children?

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user124765 · 01/10/2021 23:27

Name changed for this, and also posting here for traffic.

I have three children from my marriage that ended a few years back. They are aged 10, 8 and 5. No learning issues with the kids or anything else to note, they are (to my mind) all NT.

The issue is that DP (who is hoping to live with us very soon) seems to take constant issue with their behaviour. This evening the children were upstairs getting ready for bed and I'd asked my 8 year old to have a quick shower before he brushed his teeth etc. We've just moved in to this house in the last few days so everything is quite new and different for the kids. I turned the shower on and checked it was the correct temperature for him before I left the bathroom instructing him to wash his body and not worry about his hair for tonight.
I get downstairs and sit on the sofa next to DP and almost immediately DS shouts 'Mummy!' from upstairs. I get up and head up to see what he needs, but he can't hear my reply to hang on... I'm coming, because of the noise of the shower so continues yelling 'Mummy!' and getting increasingly louder.
Once I've sorted DS out, which takes about 3 minutes, I head back downstairs and take my place back on the sofa. Immediately DP starts having a go at me about 'letting him talk to you like shit'. His tone is quite aggressive actually and I just feel like a bit of support from him rather than a bollocking for lacking as a parent wouldn't go amiss at this stage.

It's almost constant now, whenever we're together as a 'family'. DP's need to micromanage my children and his insistence that they behave badly. I feel like I'm on tenterhooks all the time, waiting for something to kick off and I'm stuck in the middle trying to mediate the drama.
The kids are fine! They are children and full of joy and they do get excited from time to time. They sometimes push boundaries and behave badly...but isn't that normal? I feel like he's trying to turn my kids in to what he believes children should behave like, when as someone who's never had children himself he just doesn't know how kids really are!

Tonight I just lost my shit a bit and told him that I refuse to live my life walking on egg shells and I'm not going to change my parenting to suit him. I choose my children, every time. He said something like 'do you want me to fuck off then?' to which I replied that yes, him going home would probably be for the best right now. He was visibly upset and stormed out slamming the door behind him. He called me a 'fucking prick' under his breath too, which shocked me. That in itself is unforgivable to me I think. I felt sad when he'd gone but also incredibly relieved.

But now what? Do I end this? If I don't then I guess I have to keep him separate from my family, I can't risk him screwing my kids up with his controlling behaviour. Or is it me? 🤷‍♀️ Is he right that my children need pulling up on this behaviour. I just think it's normal...but who knows? Giggling in restaurants, being daft at bedtime when they've been told to settle down, shouting Mummy! over and over until you drop everything and go running. Isn't this all normal?

OP posts:
RothRoth · 04/10/2021 09:20

SHE HAS ENDED THE RELATIONSHIP.

RothRoth · 04/10/2021 09:22

SHE ENDED IT ON SATURDAY!
user124765 Sat 02-Oct-21 01:46:11
Anyway...I can't sleep. I picked up my phone and I have another message on WhatsApp from him. Curiosity got the better of me and I read it, the gist of it being that he loves me and hopes we can work things out. I replied 'I love you too, but I love me and my kids so much more. It's over no need to contact me again'.

Strangeways19 · 04/10/2021 09:57

Yes it's normal behaviour & your DP either came from a family where he was expected to not be a child & control his behaviour all of the time, or he's just being controlling. Either way you know what you have to do.

Dorisspider · 04/10/2021 10:11

Yum. he sounds nice. Not.
Someone is an abusive vile sod, and it's not you.
You did good.

Dorisspider · 04/10/2021 10:12

PS. Don't say you love him eh?

twinmum2007 · 04/10/2021 10:34

This isn't going to work and you know it. He doesn't sound like he is ready to take on children.

Mamanyt · 04/10/2021 10:43

@Dorisspider

PS. Don't say you love him eh?
This. You loved the character that he played, that pretty role that he took on for you. And you'll regret what might have been, if only, but "if only" was a lie. Let it go as soon as you can. It is perfectly fine to be really angry at all the time you wasted on him, though. Lord knows, I would be.
Elliepme · 04/10/2021 10:44

Why does he want to move in if he thinks like this towards yr children?

Roxy69 · 04/10/2021 10:44

Multiple red flags going up here.
For goodness sake do the right thing for your children and let him go off and find someone else to manipulate. This is actually not about you, you had children so you have to put them first. You know this!

Gardenlass · 04/10/2021 11:09

I agree that you should keep copies of all correspondence between you, in case it is needed later on.
You have done the right thing in putting your children first, and I hope you can move on and have a happy life without him. Flowers

RothRoth · 04/10/2021 11:17

57Strangeways19

Yes it's normal behaviour & your DP either came from a family where he was expected to not be a child & control his behaviour all of the time, or he's just being controlling. Either way you know what you have to do.

SHE ENDED IT ON SATURDAY.

RothRoth · 04/10/2021 11:19

44Roxy69

Multiple red flags going up here.
For goodness sake do the right thing for your children and let him go off and find someone else to manipulate. This is actually not about you, you had children so you have to put them first. You know this!

SHE ENDED IT ON SATURDAY.

GayGrandma · 04/10/2021 11:20

If you don't get rid of this controlling presence in your life? In twenty years' time it's just the two of you. Your children will have left home, but they don't come to see you. Why should they? You put that irritating twerp first and he made their lives hell. You no longer go out with your friends. You don't have any, because he stopped you seeing them. The person you are now has completely disappeared.

billy1966 · 04/10/2021 11:26

I have always found @Graphista posts extremely insightful.

OP,
That nastiness was always simmering underneath his critical manner that made both your children and yourself nervous of him.
That was why you were nervous, you could sense it.

He is a bad man that would do your children untold damage long term.

@mathanxiety, excellent advice.

MiddleClassProblem · 04/10/2021 11:37

I think @RothRoth is going to explode 😂

PinkPanther27 · 04/10/2021 11:44

@user124765

Afternoon everyone. My daughter received a message today from him. 🤦‍♀️ I forgot to block him on her phone too. Just saying that he's sorry for the things he said yesterday to me when he was emotional and upset, he loves us all etc but he'll leave us alone. I wonder how long before he shows up on the doorstep though. Sad
This (messaging your daughter to try to get to you) would be a massive red flag for me. Sounds like you’ve made the right decision and please don’t doubt your parenting skills.
Annieconn · 04/10/2021 11:58

Get rid before it starts affecting the kids.

user1496146479 · 04/10/2021 12:26

@Graphista

It's so depressing CONSTANTLY seeing threads like this appear.

It's really very simple - prioritise your kids over your love life and most certainly over a man who clearly resents them!

The behaviour you are describing is perfectly normal - if slightly irritating at times!

That's life with dc of this age.

With this guy my concern would be if this is what he's like with slightly irritating incidents before he has moved in what the HELL will he be like if he does move in and in 5/6 years when your ds is entering teens and is bigger, more grumpy (as teen boys tend to be naturally) and possibly even challenging his "authority" and represents more of a "threat" to him in his "dominant male" mind ?

I dread to think!

I say get rid.

I just feel like when we are all together I'm really on edge. Trying to make sure my children are behaving to his standard, not being silly, impolite or ill mannered in any way.

Is he perfectly behaved at all times?! Obviously not! So why does he expect CHILDREN to be? Arse!

Much like DP is because of his bullying father.

Like father like son eh?

Any glimpse of this behaviour from DP that I've seen before has been quite fleeting

But it HAS been there and until now you ignored that.

We really need to get away from socialising girls and women to be "nice" and "forgiving" and instead tell them DON'T ignore red flags, challenge dodgy behaviour and comments the moment they arise.

This is your chance to dodge a bullet - not just for you but your kids too

I don't understand why you would WANT to continue seeing someone who treats your kids this way and doesn't respect or show kindness towards you!

Are you afraid of being single? Another element of sexist socialisation that needs to end! I am single and have been for many years. Nothing wrong with being single at all in fact the vast majority of the time I much prefer it!

It wasn't a conscious decision at first I was raw after a messy divorce, I've dated at times but as time went on I came to really value and enjoy my single status and all it meant and gave me. So now it would take someone REALLY special to tempt me to give that up.

Well done for sending that message op and it was absolutely correct!

Even abused kids can still have complicated feelings about their abuser especially if they're in a parental role op. I am 49, I grew up in an abusive home and at times was nc with my father the abuser but I was unable to maintain that for a number of reasons inc that of course like anyone he wasn't all bad! It's a deeply complicated relationship. Kids will even physically cling onto someone who has severely abused them as they are being removed from their care. They are children you are the adult you have to do what you know is best for them.

They don't have the knowledge/life experience of how his attitude/behaviour will affect them long term.

Your post yesterday at 1534 surely confirms you were absolutely right to get rid! His response to being dumped was to go on the attack! And in a particularly nasty way

Three years in the making, this 'relationship'. He's only been around my children for the last year, and even then I tried to keep him at arms length. I just didn't see this side to him, not ever.

This is exactly why it horrifies me on other threads when posters are planning to introduce kids very early on and move the new man in very quickly. It takes time for people like this to reveal their true colours.

The mouse - again nobody is all bad. That's exactly the kinda thing my father would have done! He was very into nature and wildlife. He was also capable of slamming my mother against the door and grabbing her by the throat if dinner wasn't something he fancied!

He also taught me to swim, ride and maintain a bike, could be funny, give good advice and generally was very interesting to talk to.

None of that negates the csa he subjected me to, or the physical abuse meted out to my siblings.

I know this man being discussed isn't abusive at that extreme but honestly my point is the most abusive people can also be very nice/good in other ways.

But the good rarely outweighs the bad.

It also serves abusive people to be "nice" at first to get in the relationship to get the control in the first place.

I have asked my mum on numerous occasions what she saw in my dad. She says on top of being VERY good looking (which he absolutely was, very classically so) when they first met he was funny, very generous (he had a well paid job and was still living at home paying a nominal amount of keep so he had it to spend), charming, interesting and entertaining "life and soul of the party" type with raconteur skills which I knew about him. His friends were lovely too which she took as a good sign, she unfortunately ignored his family where there were several red flags! She even met his most recent ex who also had nothing but good things to say about him even though they had parted.

It wasn't until she fell pregnant with me quickly followed by a shotgun engagement/wedding that things began to change. Basically as soon as he had her "trapped" he changed.

He became like his father (violent alcoholic) the violence actually came before the descent into the bottle although that did worsen things.

Being the eldest I remembered what he was like before the alcohol took hold. Both parents tried/still try to blame the drink but I well remember him hitting, punching and kicking mum before that point, shouting, slamming doors, throwing all sorts around. It wasn't the drink the drink just made him worse!

That's outrageously inappropriate messaging your dd like that. I'd be sending him a final message saying to stay the hell away or you will have to take legal action of some form.

Please be careful with this guy and do not hesitate to call in help if needed. Do you have any big burly male relatives/friends who can provide support if needed? Shouldn't be necessary I know but that's the world we live in

@Graphista please read at least the OP's updates!! Hmm
NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/10/2021 12:41

@user124765, Graphista did.

'Your post yesterday at 1534 surely confirms you were absolutely right to get rid! His response to being dumped was to go on the attack! And in a particularly nasty way'

Did you read Graphista's post properly?

ellyeth · 04/10/2021 13:29

He complains that your children disrespect you and then you hear him muttering under his breath "fucking prick". Pot and kettle comes to mind, and he's supposedly an adult.

You cannot live like this, constantly on edge and fearful of his comments. This sort of continual carping, and you putting up with what sounds like aggressive behaviour and language, will damage your confidence, and your children's confidence in you and everything else.

I think you have done the right thing and would call this relationship a day, permanently.

mamamamamamamamamamachameleon · 04/10/2021 13:51

@Ledition

But now what? Do I end this?

Yes you absolutely do, unless you want to ruin your future relationship with your children? Calling you a "fucking prick" is appalling in and of itself TBH. There's nothing more irritating than someone with no children pontificating about how they "should" behave - it's always some Victorian notion of children being seen and not heard Confused

If you're already walking on egg shells this absolutely won't work long term. He should never, ever try to control and micromanage your DC, they will end up hating him (rightly so) and resenting you (rightly so too if you let it happen). You and your DC deserve better. Flowers

This, 100%
WTAFhappened123 · 04/10/2021 14:05

Massive Red flags! Dump his ass

WTAFhappened123 · 04/10/2021 14:10

Just read u have dumped him! Well done for being a strong and brave woman! You will get through this!

havesomepatience · 04/10/2021 14:33

Your children seem like normal children as far as I can see. He seems like a controlling man.
He will make your kids life a misery (and yours). Get rid of him. He will not change.

Itsbeen84yearss · 04/10/2021 14:37

Yep all normal. My dd is nearly 8 and shouts me all the time. He sounds like a knob. Send him on his bike 🚴