To say there are some decent men

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I know there are many threads about how shit men are. It may be a shit partner not helping, abused by a stranger, sexism etc etc etc.

But to say some men are decent. My DH said this morning re the policemen just sentenced “we men are mostly basically shit aren’t we”
I told him he was one of the good ones and the good ones need to carry on trying to challenging these men who basically hate women
My DH had challenged many men over their behaviour towards women including dropping friendships.

I have epilepsy and DH had always had my back and supported me. Done more then his fare share with kids including most night feeds as well as working full time which I can do. Letting me sleep and recover after a seizure and taking charge without complaining.

He always make me feel good about myself, never pesters for sex and is a good dad.

Yep sure he had his faults he is a bit disorganised and he seems to think dirty clothes belong on the bedroom floor (but does pick them up when asked)
He snores like a machine gun and I have to wear earplug but on the whole he is a decent bloke and I am sure there are many more out there. I would just like to here about them

@EspressoDoubleShot You’ll often find that, women generally receive lighter sentences than men for similar crimes. Which is one of the factors why 95% of people in prison are men.

[quote CBUK2K2]@TooBigForMyBoots - Well 207 women were murdered in 2020, so I’m going to go with less than 300 (and assume all murders are make) as it’s generally not a group sport. There are 35 million men in the U.K.[/quote]
But what is the tiny number that commit violent and sexual crime? You do know that murder is not the only one.

As I said basic and obvious I will not be drawn by your goading
Your Mr Happy Marriage who loves women,go tell them
I’m genuinely uninterested

@TooBigForMyBoots What crime would you like to know?

@EspressoDoubleShot - it’s not goading, I just like to counter the echo chamber of misandry.

[quote CBUK2K2]@EspressoDoubleShot You’ll often find that, women generally receive lighter sentences than men for similar crimes. Which is one of the factors why 95% of people in prison are men.[/quote]
Ahh, now you see the research doesn’t support this false assertion. I know this
The Scottish govt have commissioned studies into the sentences given to women. You see women are more likely to receive a penal sentence for minor offences than men

Anyway I digressed as I actually know a lot about women in the penal system and perinatal mental health.
But guess what, I’m not responding to your try too hard goading

@CBUK2K2 you said The number of men who commit violent and sexual crimes is tiny, so I would like to know what that tiny number is. Murder is not the only violent and sexual crime committed by men. There's rape, sexual assault, groping, flashing, threatening and intimidating behaviour, domestic violence, child abuse etc.

What is the tiny number of men committing these offences?

@EspressoDoubleShot Well there are a lot of studies that disagree:

www.researchgate.net/publication/337844261_Sentencing_Gender_Investigating_the_Presence_of_Gender_Disparities_in_Crown_Court_Sentences

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Sex-and-ethnicity-analysis-final-1.pdf

@TooBigForMyBoots Well according to the ONS 2.3 million people (1.6 million women) experienced domestic violence out of in 2020. That’s about 4% and these figures appear to include a wide range of crimes form sexual assault and stalking to intimate partner violence. I’d say 3 in 100 was a pretty small number.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwalesoverview/november2020#latest-figures-for-the-year-ending-march-2020

[quote CBUK2K2]@EspressoDoubleShot You’ll often find that, women generally receive lighter sentences than men for similar crimes. Which is one of the factors why 95% of people in prison are men.[/quote]
This is up there with the assertion on a similar thread that females are showing damaging behaviour to males by out-performing them in school

sad shit.

Ah the MRAs are here with their "be grateful to men" and "I love women. Some of my best friends are women" shtick. Won't be engaging.

I don't understand all these posters saying "oo, you nasty MRAs. Can't we just talk about women without people NAMALTing!"

You're the ones trying to take over a thread intended to specifically discuss the positive side of men. 🤷‍♀️ The agenda is showing!

@Pallisers because positive discrimination is OK so long as it’s in favour of women?

mI don’t hate women, I love women, am happily married and have lots as close friends,

Loves women, happily married and close friends...that’s it then. It’s always the same.

You're the ones trying to take over a thread intended to specifically discuss the positive side of men.

The ‘positive side’ of men. Interesting. 🙄

@CreationVacation So despite your apparent hatred of men, the almost certainly built the home you’re living in, produce and deliver the food and energy you depend on for life. Designed/built and repaired the car/tv/smartphone etc that you rely on in life.

So yes, there has been a disproportionate amount of good contributed by men to the world we live in.

I wish I could agree OP, I'm sad to say I actually don't know a good guy. I have the sweetest elderly neighbour but he has told me he wasn't good to his wife when she was alive, guilt for that made him look after her excellently for many years while she was terminally ill. I know a couple of women who think they have good guys, they are being cheated on. The rest have seemed nice but all utter bastards. It's really quite depressing. I hope my son can do better but I don't know a single decent male role model.

Don't feed the MRA trolls trying to derail the conversation.

@evelynhugo Can I ask what part are the country you’re from?

The majority of the people I know are honest, good parents and husbands. I’d say 90% of our fridges are married to their child’s other biological parent.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing?

@MareofBeasttown the thread was a woman posting to say that not all men are scum. It’s the misandrists that are detailing the topic.

[quote CBUK2K2]@youvegottenminuteslynn I think every sane person agrees with he goals of feminists of old. The desire for equality, fairness and freedom for all.

I don’t honestly know many women who share the views of the modern man hating extreme version of feminism that is increasingly common today.[/quote]
Are you talking about mainstream, liberal feminism?
They are highly man pandering.

@Pallisers,

It was me on this thread who made the point about schools.

It was linked to an interesting Times article which was making the point that boys (and especially) white working class boys were severely underperforming at school and this led to disillusionment, which then led to other problems.

And then someone created a straw man out of this that I claimed that ‘girls doing well was discrimination against boys’ which I, firstly never said, and then explicitly clarified.

I couldn’t imagine the outcry if Pistonheads for example spread so much hate about women as MN does about men, a lot of it’s outright hate speech.

Oh love, have you even BEEN on the internet. You haven't seen all the incel subreddits? the endless incel twitter convos? the MRAs?

So the influx of male-violence-apologists and MRAs to this thread means we have struck a neve here.

We are specifically talking about VAWG here. And most of that is perpetrated by men. If you can't stand the heat, start calling out your misogynist friends when they joke about rape. That will be great, thanks.

@evelynhugo

I wish I could agree OP, I'm sad to say I actually don't know a good guy. I have the sweetest elderly neighbour but he has told me he wasn't good to his wife when she was alive, guilt for that made him look after her excellently for many years while she was terminally ill. I know a couple of women who think they have good guys, they are being cheated on. The rest have seemed nice but all utter bastards. It's really quite depressing. I hope my son can do better but I don't know a single decent male role model.

That's really sad. I know many decent men, more good ones than wrong ones.