to think that the school nurse shouldn't have sent me this letter...

[emkana]

which has a programme in it how to deal with dd2's "bedwetting" WTF? She doesn't do "bedwetting", she's only 4.4 and still in pull-ups, which I thought was widely accepted as quite normal?

[yurt1]

ds1 was dry at night for 3 years. Now (aged 8) wets heavily at night. No idea why. I don't mind pull ups. It's better than when he was stipping off in order to wet the bed.

mrsmiggins- I can recommend kylies if you do decide to go without nappies. I would put one on top of the sheet and they really do absorb everything. 3 did me (one on the bed, one in the wash, one drying).

[Ellbell]

I don't know if that's what moondog is saying hatwoman, but it's not my experience. As I said, we 'lifted' dd1 for a couple of years (till she was coming on for 7). Personally I still preferred doing this to having her in pull-ups - partly because it was easy (bathroom right next to bedroom; if it'd been in our old house where the only loo was downstairs I would have thought differently!). Dd2 was a different kettle of fish. She is two years younger than dd1 but we stopped putting them on the loo at midnight at round about the same time. But dd2 is a very light sleeper, so the need to wee always seems to wake her up (that and about 101 other things... she's in and out of my bed about 5 times a night at the moment, but that's another story!).

[Ellbell]

I don't know if that's what moondog is saying hatwoman, but it's not my experience. As I said, we 'lifted' dd1 for a couple of years (till she was coming on for 7). Personally I still preferred doing this to having her in pull-ups - partly because it was easy (bathroom right next to bedroom; if it'd been in our old house where the only loo was downstairs I would have thought differently!). Dd2 was a different kettle of fish. She is two years younger than dd1 but we stopped putting them on the loo at midnight at round about the same time. But dd2 is a very light sleeper, so the need to wee always seems to wake her up (that and about 101 other things... she's in and out of my bed about 5 times a night at the moment, but that's another story!).

[PaulaYatesbiggestfan]

hatwoman- it just happens
i dont 'lift' for more than a fortnight - just 'forget ' one night and see if the dc is dry.

[Ellbell]

Bother... sorry for double post.

[Quadrophenia]

my ds aged 6 regularly wets, at the age of two he was dry at night and was so until 4. I don't put him ina nappy, he knows what it is to be wet, he still does it< what should I do? he wees before bed, i regulalry get him up for a wee but often he is soo confused he just can't go. if there is a solution to this then please let me hear it.

[Quadrophenia]

and btw i have three children who don't wet, so pretty certain i'm not a lazy parent

[BahHunkerBug]

MD, you're an ole lentil weaver, that's true But you're overly harsh when it comes to nappies, imo, day and nighttime.

[edam]

Jeez Moondog, remind me, where do you stand on early weaning, again? Because your argument on this thread suggests BLW must be lazy mares who can't be bothered to puree. And people who wait until two years to potty train are just slack... and anyone whose child is writing fluent sentences on their first day of reception just hasn't been trying hard enough...

[EmsMum]

hatwoman - no, you will almost certainly not spontanously get dry pullups. The vexed question is when to stop using them if your child does have a problem which is not just 'behaviourism'. In that case having professional support from school nurse/enuresis clinic can be invaluable.

[edam]

isn't writing...

[mistletoemiggins]

dont have a go at moondog - she is just giving opinion

[hatwoman]

md - can I just say that possibly unintentioned your posts are coming across as a tad on the arrogant side. eg "it's pure behaviourism" "it's dead easy" "it's gross"- all a bit absolutist to me. life is rarely so simple. well, perhaps yours is, but mine ain't.

[mumeeee]

A lot of 4.5 year olds still wear pull ups. It is very vcommon not to be dry at night by 5.

[moondog]

No Edam,I am not into early weaning or hothousing kids.
Difference is that all that stuff makes no difference to anyone,nor does it harm anyone.
Prolonged use of disposable nappies harms a lot of people and I just can't bear thrm. Vile disgusting anti-social things thatn they are.

If these kids were put in real nappies they'd be sorted in days. Guaranteed.

I resent the fact that people (Pampers et al) are making money out of peopl by encouraging them to believe that delaying training children a very simple and useful skill is normal. They just get rich as you lot get lazier and lazier.

[yurt1]

You might just spontaneously get dry pull ups - I have with all 3 of mine - although unfortunately after 3 years ds1 has lost being dry at night - that was how he was initially trained- he just did it.

[hatwoman]

ellbell - our two have been very different too - dd1 - dry day and night within about 10 days. unbelievably easy - maybe expecting dd2 to do the same, but later, is not a sound approach

[Quadrophenia]

but my ds isn't ina nappy, he knows what it is to be wet, he doesn't like it, so what do I do?

[Ellbell]

I really do think (and this thread seems to bear it out) that there's a mixture of reasons why some children may be dry at night quite young and others may take (much) longer... physical differences, heavy/light sleeper, etc. If wearing pull-ups works, then stick with it for a bit, and try again in a few months. In the scheme of things, it's not that big a deal (at the age of 4 or 5 or even 6, I mean...).

I tried to potty train dd1 before she was really ready for it. (I know, I know... but it seemed like a good idea at the time to do it while I was on maternity leave with dd2 rather than when I was back at work and she was in nursery.) Big mistake. All that happened was that I had loads and loads of wet knickers for about 6 months. Should have waited 6 months and it would have been a doddle. You live and learn, eh?

[hatwoman]

oh moondog - get over yourself. if you want to preach go and write a book

[smeeinachristmastreeinnit]

i actually tottaly agree with moondog, both my ds's were out of nappies day and night at 2.5.
moondogs method as explained below is exactly how i got them dry at night...
i personally find it quite strange a child of school age being in nappies at night. thats just my opinion!

[BahHunkerBug]

Depends on the child.

DS2 will train quicker than DS1, I'm sure of it. DS1 - well, there's not a chance you could've done it before he wanted to do it himself, MD. But when he was ready, he was clean and dry instantly. No accidents. Told me when he needed the loo. Perfect, in fact.

Anyway, I figure that by using a mooncup, I'm doing my bit for landfill

[moondog]

The truth hurts sometimes eh Hatwoman.

[BahHunkerBug]

I love how people who have children who do something naturally are SOOO smug about it, as if it was something they did themselves - it's a special form of being a twat, imo.

[EmsMum]

washing bedding - including a duvet and sometimes 2 sets of sheets plus the protector pad for several months wasn't exactly envirnmentally friendly either!