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... to say that the Tories are in power indefinitely?

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MrsPeacockInTheLibrary · 24/09/2021 22:59

I said similar in a political discussion earlier with a friend and they got quite angry and said that was ridiculous.

I had shared some of the reasons I have this opinion: Labour factionalism and infighting (I am a party member and see it entrenched everywhere), Scotland, the split vote on the left, the Tory majority, conservative voting trends in recent years... I just can't see how the Tories will be ousted within at least the next 10-20 years.

I know the old adage about a week in politics... I wish we had more hope of reform in the system, and safe seats did not exist in their current form, but it is what it is.

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Doubletap · 25/09/2021 16:56

LetHimHaveIt

Interesting response -no counter to my points, the assumption that I vote Tory because I don’t have a political allegiance, and insulting me because I’m from a working class background.

I think you have just proved everything I said upthread !

Porridgealert · 25/09/2021 17:00

@SpringRainbow

I’m amazed Boris is still in power considering what he has done in his personal AND professional life since being in power.

I seriously don’t understand why he has been able to keep his job.

Ooo, I've missed gossip about Johnson. I know what he's done as PM, but what has he done in his personal life that he should resign over?
groundcontroltomontydon · 25/09/2021 17:27

YANBU - identity politics have done for labour and condemned us to decades of unchallenged tory rule

AlfonsoTheMango · 25/09/2021 17:40

'I have no allegiance to a party' = When it comes to it, I vote Tory.

What a load of nonsense that is. I have no allegiance to any party and vote for whoever seems the best of a bad lot. I would prefer to be able to vote on issues rather than for a party.

LetHimHaveIt · 25/09/2021 17:57

@Doubletap

I did indeed counter your argument that Boris is good at PR. It was the bit where I pointed out that he is in fact shit at it. People don't vote for him because he pulls on a Hi-Viz waistcoat every now and then, ffs.

I referred to the picture you painted of the working classes as unfailingly 'salt of the earth, honest day's work for a fair day's pay'. I have no idea if you're working class, just as you have no idea if I am - although, interestingly, you seem to have made an assumption about that: I myself did not about you. I just don't make a virtue of of being working class any more than I might about being middle class. It is patently absurd, btw, to make the blanket statement that working-class people simply aren't racist, so I'm happy to rebut that. Really? None of them? Very few of them? Beg to differ. Not my experience.

LetHimHaveIt · 25/09/2021 18:00

@AlfonsoTheMango

'I have no allegiance to a party' = When it comes to it, I vote Tory.

What a load of nonsense that is. I have no allegiance to any party and vote for whoever seems the best of a bad lot. I would prefer to be able to vote on issues rather than for a party.

It really isn't. Floating voters tend to vote Tory, and 'Shy Tories' were identified over thirty years ago as the phenomenon which keeps them in power year after year after year.
TheMarzipanDildo · 25/09/2021 18:07

@nancy75

It’s funny that Labour need to get their act together to get a voter but millions are happy to vote for this govt while they merrily drive us to hell in a handcart. Never have I seen such a bunch of self serving, pocket lining, dishonest greedy, incompetent toerags as we have in power now - yet Kier Starmer is the problem?
This. Don’t get me wrong, I disagree with Labour on plenty, but people just don’t seem to need examples of competence or morality from the tories to vote for them.
Porridgealert · 25/09/2021 18:07

@LetHimHaveIt.
Floating voters tend to vote Tory

If floating voters vote tory, they're not floating voters. They're tory voters. They're only floating if they are apt to change parties.

LetHimHaveIt · 25/09/2021 18:11

Fair point. I meant voters who state they're 'undecided' in polls. Apologies.

Porridgealert · 25/09/2021 18:16

@LetHimHaveIt

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the80sweregreat · 25/09/2021 18:22

I live in a Tory stronghold and they are universally praised ! :( ( not by me) or it's a case of ' Labour would be worse '
I can't see our area changing political alliance anytime soon.
I think many are shy Tories or just not sure what the Labour Party stands for either.
I think they will win the next election despite everything that had gone on. They seem Teflon coated.

LizzieW1969 · 25/09/2021 18:30

I have no allegiance to a party' = When it comes to it, I vote Tory.

^That’s a ridiculous assumption to make. I’ve never had an allegiance to any party but I’ve never in my life voted Tory. Hmm

LizzieW1969 · 25/09/2021 18:34

And I haven’t decided how to vote until I was in the voting booth the last two elections, but I still didn’t vote Tory. It just isn’t true at all that floating voters are Tory voters.

Doubletap · 25/09/2021 18:47

LetHimHaveIt

You have read an awful lot into my post - putting words into my mouth which you think I have wrote based on your assumptions.

Says a lot about you, and your own prejudices and assumptions.

Thecurliestwurly · 25/09/2021 18:48

If Boris stays PM and another party becomes more centre-aligned, then no, I think they won't get in. Probably another coalition again. It depends on a good opposition forming, and I think by then we will have even more Tory failings to add to the vast catalogue that already exists.

Many of the Tory voter base will have died, many young people who have been shafted by this government will be able to vote. Seats won in the poorer northern communities won't vote Tory again as they will suffer the most under this government.

lannistunut · 25/09/2021 18:51

@Snog

Labour don't seem much different in any case
This is absolute bollocks. If you think the two parties are the same right now, you know nothing about them.

This just gets trotted out by people who CBA to engage IMO.

Boood · 25/09/2021 19:04

@LetHimHaveIt

'I have no allegiance to a party' = When it comes to it, I vote Tory.

Boris is, er, not good at PR. It's remarkably few people who enjoy a good Kermit the Frog gag, in truth.

I enjoyed the rest of your kitchen sink drama, though.

Absolute bollocks. I’ve never voted conservative. I can’t feel any allegiance to any of the other parties, though, because they’re all queuing up to see who can throw my rights away fastest.
Unfashionable · 25/09/2021 19:09

I’m a former Labour activist, from back in the day when we used to win elections, and I agree. The Tories are now so entrenched & hegemonic in England outside the M25 that it’s impossible to see them losing power in the foreseeable future. If Scotland becomes independent, it’s hard to see them ever losing it.

My old party is completely fucked. Labour was created out of the Trade Union movement to represent the economic interests of working people in Parliament. But that wasn’t enough for the hard Left, which became obsessed with toxic, divisive identity politics in which groups of people, based on religious, national, ethnic, sexual, or whatever other reason they can think of, seek to assert the status of victim and to aggressively compete for special treatment, funding & protection with other ‘marginalised’ groups in the victimhood Olympics. The Trans wars, which so obsess parts of MN being a case in point.

the80sweregreat · 25/09/2021 19:40

It depends on the northern voters now.
They lent Boris their votes last time , but now brexit is done , will they again ?
I think might , but reluctantly maybe ?
Labour need to win them all back and then some : hard task.

Indecisivelurcher · 25/09/2021 19:44

I heard that the boundary changes and other 'tweaks' they quietly put through shoring up safe seats and splitting 'problem areas'. Not sure if that's true.

I really really really don't understand why, but I have seemingly sensible friends who vote for the pricks. Just don't get it.

the80sweregreat · 25/09/2021 19:49

I don't know what Labour stand for and I vote for them ! If your a shy Tory or a ' floater ' there isn't much hope out there :(

the80sweregreat · 25/09/2021 19:50

I also have sensible lovely friends and family who vote conservative.
They are seen as ' good with the economy' oddly enough ..
it is a mystery.

Artdecolover · 25/09/2021 19:55

The tories have watched the gop and trump very carefully
They have seen what the far right with unlimited cash can do/say/introduce to the delight of a baying mob
The gerrymandering, disenfranchisement of the poor, the othering of minorities, the disabled...
11 years of tory/coalition austerity have successfully brought back the victorian idea of deserving and undeserving poor.
Then of course brexit -
The most hubristic act of national self harm in UK history
Sadly my kids (and yours) will be paying for brexit/covid for the rest of their lives

Spiindoctor · 25/09/2021 19:56

Rachel Reeves was interviewed this evening by Nick Robinson in Radio 4. She seems well qualified and very sensible.

jewel1968 · 25/09/2021 19:56

Can you remind me why Blair won after years of Tories. Were people just fed up and wanted a change or was it because Blair looked like a Tory (Tory Lite) or was Labour offering something people wanted/needed.