... to say that the Tories are in power indefinitely?

[MrsPeacockInTheLibrary]

I said similar in a political discussion earlier with a friend and they got quite angry and said that was ridiculous.

I had shared some of the reasons I have this opinion: Labour factionalism and infighting (I am a party member and see it entrenched everywhere), Scotland, the split vote on the left, the Tory majority, conservative voting trends in recent years... I just can't see how the Tories will be ousted within at least the next 10-20 years.

I know the old adage about a week in politics... I wish we had more hope of reform in the system, and safe seats did not exist in their current form, but it is what it is.

As long as Labour has folk like the absolutely dreadful Angela Raynor they might as well pack up and go home. Folk thought Corbyn was bad but she really is another level.

People seem to like being fucked over and will keep begging for more.

Why do they like it?

NHS and education need lifting out of politics and given a special cross's party /experience team. Yes this has been true for decades. Gordon Brown had the sense to free the interest rates from government control but Blair should have gone further.

Miliband was unelectable because he pulled a weird face eating a sandwich

He was unelectable because he was a prat with no vim. All he could do was repeat the party line script over and over.

It wasn't the sandwich, it was the everything.

I think this too but I think it's more to do with a peculiar psyche. In that nobody can have anything nice incase someone 'undeserving' also gets it too. I think also the chasm between generations - however the tories seem to be pissing off the older generation too so who knows. But I think the tories will be in power for a long time.

No. It felt that way during the Thatcher years, but then under Major it went wrong for them because of sleaze. They then lost spectacularly in 1997, I remember staying up to watch Blair’s election win as a student.

The Tories will implode eventually, it’s just a question of how long it will take. This current crisis could mean it will be sooner than we might have thought earlier this year.

Well we've had em for the last 42 years and I can't see that changing any time soon.

As a scot I'm hoping for independence sooner than later.

But that leaves the English, Welsh and northern Irish I care about screwed.

Whole system needs a massive overhaul which won't happen while it serves those currently in power

@nancy75 I agree I'm no particular Keir fan but it cracks me up ANYONE can think this shower of Tory numpties are better than ANYONE ELSE

@LizzieW1969 if you think Blair was Labour/a socialist you are sadly mistaken

Admittedly, I have my doubts that Starmar can achieve this.

I know Blair isn’t a socialist. I was talking about the Tories being defeated, he was the last one to achieve this.

I disagree, although the Tories have a good majority now, under Theresa May it was pretty much no majority. Plenty of people vote for other parties and there aren't just Tory MPs.

Most people voted Tory for Brexit but the 90s will soon look like glory days and which party was in power then?

I don't know what will change and when, but conservatives are not looking strong on any front.

Each leader has been worse than the one before. Now the dreaded Angela Raynor is earmarked for the top job. Goodbye Labour Party.

A Labour government would be no better than a Tory one. The same as an SNP, Green, Lib Dem, DUP, Sinn Féin, Plaid Cymru or anyone else would do either,

They're all totally corrupt and self-serving. Look at them; listen to them. They're identical and pathetic; the way they speak, act and lie. No normal, down-to-earth person would go into politics now - only the educated elite who can afford to do so. Or the morally superior (left or right) do gooders who have sucked the right cock/been to the right school/donated to the right coffers.

The whole system is absolutely out of touch and antiquated. It still follows rules and traditions set in 1707 and is ridiculously still tied to the pathetic and absurd idea of the 'crown'/royal family. Honestly, ask yourself about heredatry monarchy/peerages/titles and ask if it's really what you think your children deserve to grow up in?

I'd like to see the whole lot of it fall apart and have a bit of anarchy for a few years before a new system of democracy emerges. I'd start with that rat-infested shit hole and its occupants on the banks of the Thames crumbling into that very fine river, followed by the royal family being thrown in after it and then every entitled, greedy, loathsome piece of shit drowning in their own piss just after.

The Labour Party is riddled with misogyny and politicians who would throw their own granny under the bus if it meant sticking to a particular line. At least the Tories are pretty open about fucking people over. Labour do it under a guise of virtue signalling and 'compassion' when in reality a lot of them are a bunch of self serving arseholes as well.

While we have first past the post, rather than proportional representation, I fear you are right. The Tories are currently changing the rules so that you have to have formal ID to vote. This will mean a large number of people who are disadvantaged already, won’t be able to vote and would have been likely to vote Labour. They are also changing the number of MPs. Again to keep themselves in power. They are not interested in what’s right, democratic or fair. They want to maintain the status quo. They want to maintain their power and wealth. Always have. Always will. Labour are kicking out those they have decided don’t follow the party line enough (very close to leaving after they got rid of Ken Loach) and Kier had failed to develop any unity.

I sadly think you are right.

@Blahglah

True. Actually she had no majority at all in 2017, it was a hung Parliament. They only stayed in power thanks to the DUP. I think the party’s less strong now than in the 80s and early 90s.

It’s just Labour hasn’t been up to the job of properly opposing them.

Also, no one seems bothered by the total lack of moral fibre. It doesn’t seem to matter what Borris does he doesn’t lose popularity. He could murder someone and still people would say ‘oh, he’s just a bit of a lad’.

I can’t understand how bojo is still ahead in the polls, it just feels unreal given the current shit show. But as a former member I also despair of labour. It needs decisive action after being infiltrated, and the fringe groups need to be proscribed before it can properly start to rebuild.

Also look at who votes, not your average mumsnetter but their dads.

For a long time whoever is in power really does only have a small percentage of the population voting for them.

Younger women are the least likely to vote out of any group. If 90% of them voted, things would look a lot different.

LizzieW1969 the Tories were dying a slow death but even in 1995 they weren't the abysmal people they are now. I said earlier that I can't believe I live in a country where Grant Schapps is in government.
John Smith was a serious person who made you wonder why he wasn't in charge of things. Brown took over his mantle for finance and Blair did the razzmatazz. There isn't anyone doing any of that now.

I think an election could go either way. Boris depends on his charisma over his policies and people are seeing through that. So it depends on Keir Starmer getting a bit of personality and actually producing some policies. Is that really likely, though?

However, if Scotland gets independence, then, yeah, the Tories are in for good.

Does look that way as no credible opposition
Need a brand new party

Brown took over his mantle for finance and Blair did the razzmatazz. There isn't anyone doing any of that now.

Brown ran us into a load of debt and Blair took us into a war based on information he knew was false. He destabilised the whole of the middle east and then made millions through his contacts there. I wouldn't want the like of either of those two running the country again.

@EatYourVegetables there really not that good , theh knew corbyn was not that popular and are millions miles away from there traditional voter, lost lots of strong seats and can't seem to fathom why ?

@Graphista no we havent they came in power about 2010
I think labour before that it hasn't been 42 years

@Blahglah
Most people voted Tory for Brexit but the 90s will soon look like glory days and which party was in power then?

The Conservatives.