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We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.

413 replies

flashbac · 24/09/2021 22:08

Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

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SantiagoSky · 24/09/2021 23:59

Who can even remember Corbyn?

Tealightsandd · 24/09/2021 23:59

@Dave20

I didn’t particularly like Tony Blair or John Major but they both said leaving would be a mistake. They both understood economics. Major was himself chancellor of the exchequer before becoming PM.
It was most certainly a very big mistake having Tony Blair in government. Much of the UK's problems today are because of his (and Brown's) disastrous policies.

Tony Blair certainly understood the economics of enriching himself and his family. Often by the means of cheap labour ponzi schemes. He's done very nicely for himself, making millions out of the public health housing and homelessness emergency that he helped create.

sparkleywallpaper · 25/09/2021 00:00

I voted for Brexit but now believe I made a mistake.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 25/09/2021 00:01

@EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.
Totally agree
antoniawhite · 25/09/2021 00:01

@sparkleywallpaper

I voted for Brexit but now believe I made a mistake.
I really like your honesty about this.
Tealightsandd · 25/09/2021 00:05

@antoniawhite

I don't think I said I did vote for Corbyn, did I? I said that voting for Boris Johnson with his long list of awful qualities was worse. It’s not clear to me that Corbyn is anti Semitic, as I don’t think being against the way Israel is behaving equates with antisemitism. I do think he handled the issue of antisemitism within the party badly. I think he’s a poor leader. But as a person he knocks spots off Johnson.
When a black person says someone is racist, it's not for others to dismiss or deny the black person's actual lived experience. The same applies (or should) when Jewish people (many of them) speak about their knowledge and understanding of racism - including when it comes to racists like Corbyn.

One bad choice doesn't mean the other choice is any better.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 25/09/2021 00:06

@Smashingspinster

I am overseas at the moment. They report on the situation in the UK on the news every night in tones of disbelief. I dont want to come home.
Really? I read the Spanish news and they barely mention the UK at all, they have their own problems to contend with. I really don't understand some people's obsession with the UK " being the laughing stock of Europe/ the world" . Most people in other countries really aren't that interested.
ilovesooty · 25/09/2021 00:09

@RumblyMumbly

Flipping heck anyone who voted for this imbecile to run the country into the ground please don't make the same mistake again.
They will.
RumblyMumbly · 25/09/2021 00:10

@Womenopause Vaccine rollout better than most of the rest of the world -- that in itself makes me glad to have voted Brexit

And how do you feel about the death rate higher than most of the rest world too? UK has the highest death rate from Covid in Europe

You might want to update your information on the vaccine rollout by countries too, yes the UK had an early start but there many countries that have bypassed the UK & have a higher proportion of the population vaccinated (including Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Ireland and Italy)
ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

So you might have to find something else to wave your flag about

ilovesooty · 25/09/2021 00:10

@sparkleywallpaper

I voted for Brexit but now believe I made a mistake.
Thank you for having the courage to say that.
SprayedWithDettol · 25/09/2021 00:15

@Womenopause

Vaccine rollout better than most of the rest of the world -- that in itself makes me glad to have voted Brexit.

HGV driver shortages are difficult in the short term but hopefully it will mean wages and working conditions will improve for lorry drivers.

What, you mean Remain voters don't actually care about the workers? Hmm They just literally whinge that they can't get limoncello (I read it on here).

Mid table for vaccine rollout.
We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.
EatSleepRantRepeat · 25/09/2021 00:15

I didn’t particularly like Tony Blair or John Major but they both said leaving would be a mistake

Another remain campaign failure - letting Blair in front of the press to campaign for it when he was the one who opened up our labour market to exploit Eastern Europeans. He's thoroughly disliked because of his lying about Iraq and will never admit that his choices have caused massive issues, why on earth would anyone believe a word he said?

User45829057 · 25/09/2021 00:15

Shouldn't this be in the Brexit section

Tealightsandd · 25/09/2021 00:16

00:01Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.

Totally agree

Good points.

westcorkbookworm · 25/09/2021 00:21

When a black person says someone is racist, it's not for others to dismiss or deny the black person's actual lived experience. The same applies (or should) when Jewish people (many of them) speak about their knowledge and understanding of racism - including when it comes to racists like Corbyn.
I don't think that that's true. My Mum was always complaining that people were making anti-Irish statements and they really weren't. Her lived experience as an Irish woman didn't mean they were being racist. She was sometimes very unreasonable.

worriedatthemoment · 25/09/2021 00:27

Its clearly been said we don't have a fuel shortage a couple companies have some issues , if people just bought as normal no issue
Its more than brexit , try reading up poor conditions and poor wages but thats ok to let some europeans do jobs in those conditions according to many
Lack of tests in the pandemic also another factor, someone posted how many short die to brexit and it barely scrapped the surface

EatSleepRantRepeat · 25/09/2021 00:27

Have you read David Baddiel's book Jews Don't Count @westcorkbookworm ? I used to think that people were too sensitive to find fault but the examples in that book really opened my eyes, especially given how much abuse David takes with good humour on a daily basis.

Tealightsandd · 25/09/2021 00:29

It's very simple and undeniable. And stated by not just one or two Jewish people. It's many from all different backgrounds and political allegiances. It's also been well documented. Jeremy Corbyn is a racist.

That said, just because Corbyn is a racist doesn't mean every Brexiter is. He represents only himself.

sparkleywallpaper · 25/09/2021 00:30

My problem though is who to vote for in the future? I think we need a STRONG Labour leader and I don't think it's Keir Starmer

westcorkbookworm · 25/09/2021 00:32

No, I haven't, but I might because I really like David Baddiel. And I don't have any reason to doubt his account at all. But I do know my mother (!) and I was there on several occasions when she moaned about nothing, so I don't agree that a person's lived experience can never be challenged.

worriedatthemoment · 25/09/2021 00:33

Some eu countries also have hgv shortages as well but that is ignored
We have lots of unemployed still who need jobs and yet people still think they shouldn't work and we should get cheap labour from abroad to do the jobs?
Are you pro eu or just concerned yoh might not get the beans you want and are happy to exploit others
Read what the actual hgv drivers are saying as to why they left , real people not the media

worriedatthemoment · 25/09/2021 00:36

@Bunnyfuller so your take the free education and then go ? If its so bad why not go now and seek education elsewhere
Why shouldn't the hgv drivers wages go up have you seen how poorly paid some are and the conditions as well as being away for nights on end ? Or is on to pay people poorly as long as they come from the eu and its not you ?

Tealightsandd · 25/09/2021 00:37

Read what the actual hgv drivers are saying as to why they left , real people not the media

This ^

worriedatthemoment · 25/09/2021 00:39

@RumblyMumbly except per capita thats actually not true at all and all countries don't even report in the same way

User45829057 · 25/09/2021 00:40

@Bunnyfuller

‘But wages will have to go up’

Wtf do you think that will do to inflation? Utilities? Your weekly shop? Home maintenance? Public services.

How THE FUCK can you vote for something you don’t understand and can’t join the fucking dots. Once my kids are done with education here we are gone. Little Britain, you’re welcome to your post war Britain.

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