We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.

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Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

@DismantledKing

Other parts or Europe have had their own issues, massive floods, causing loss of life etc only a few weeks agao.

Eh? That’s not due to decisions that they’ve made in an election. A lack of drivers, supply problems etc are not natural disasters.

No but there own population were complaining about how it was handled.

I agree with this. Apparently there are more qualified drivers not working than there are working, so the problem is nothing to do with Brexit, or even Covid. It's simply that we don't make it worth their while for drivers to work.

It is to do with Brexit and Covid though. It’s what happens when you end free movement.

The Times today :

"Of the 600,000 registered HGV licence holders, half have left the industry, according to the Road Haulage Association. Between16,000 and 20,000 foreign drivers are estimated have returned to their home countriessince Brexit, while about 40,000 driver tests were cancelled during the pandemic."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-shortage-lorry-drivers-uk-fuel-crisis-xcm8cf7l8

So an absolutely tiny percentage caused immediately by brexit - how many more British drivers would we have if they hadn't been undercut again and again over the years by EU migration? We're already seeing wages going up.

@Theworldisfullofgs

To those saying move on. 40 years I reckon. That seems fair when people moaned about bring in the EU for 40 years plus. You set a precedent.

We'll surely have rejoined in 20 years? Or be much closer.

Stupid stupid ideas don't usually stick.

So an absolutely tiny percentage caused immediately by brexit - how many more British drivers would we have if they hadn't been undercut again and again over the years by EU migration? We're already seeing wages going up.

You’re confusing numbers of license holders with the current driver workforce.

"Other parts or Europe have had their own issues, massive floods, causing loss of life etc only a few weeks agao."

As far as I'm aware, floods are an act of God. Not brought about by myopic stupidity and refusal to listen to common sense by part of the electorate who apparently value blue passports (that are actually black) and a vague idea about sovereignty above basics like heat and food.

It's not a good comparison.

@EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.

It was never going to work, that’s why they twatted about so long, because it was a stupid fucking idea in the first place, dreamt up by egotistical idiots who are funny to look at so people thought they were just harmless blokes. Voted for by people who didn’t listen to experts who actually know what they’re on about and instead believed whatever it was that the sun told them. And now we’re all living with the fallout of politician’s egos and some people’s naivety and stubbornness.

This is bollocks. The people who have been in charge of planning are the same ones who advocated brexit.

It's not up to Boris to make businesses create their own continuity plans @DismantledKing - the sensible ones got on with sorting out training schemes and apprenticeships for young people while the rest wrung their hands at losing cheap labour.

@IvorHughJarrs

Jesus wept! Is this never going to end? We have had years since that vote and a worldwide pandemic. It is time to move on, stop whingeing and just get on with things regardless of how we voted at the time

Did you vote leave?

@ChequerBoard

"Other parts or Europe have had their own issues, massive floods, causing loss of life etc only a few weeks agao."

As far as I'm aware, floods are an act of God. Not brought about by myopic stupidity and refusal to listen to common sense by part of the electorate who apparently value blue passports (that are actually black) and a vague idea about sovereignty above basics like heat and food.

It's not a good comparison.

Hahaha yes! Germany just as foolish as Britain, they let it rain, we voted to trash our economy

@EatSleepRantRepeat

The Times today :

"Of the 600,000 registered HGV licence holders, half have left the industry, according to the Road Haulage Association. Between16,000 and 20,000 foreign drivers are estimated have returned to their home countriessince Brexit, while about 40,000 driver tests were cancelled during the pandemic."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-shortage-lorry-drivers-uk-fuel-crisis-xcm8cf7l8

So an absolutely tiny percentage caused immediately by brexit - how many more British drivers would we have if they hadn't been undercut again and again over the years by EU migration? We're already seeing wages going up.

From the linked article (also from the Times)

‘Britain has a shortfall of about 100,000 HGV drivers, in part because many EU workers returned home after Brexit and during the pandemic.’

So the workers that returned home to Europe were around 20% of that total then.

You’re confusing numbers of license holders with the current driver workforce.

Yes, the number available for the workforce who can't be tempted back into it because of the shit conditions. My best friend's partner is one of those, he's gone back to construction after spending a fortune getting a license.

@EatSleepRantRepeat

This is bollocks. The people who have been in charge of planning are the same ones who advocated brexit.

It's not up to Boris to make businesses create their own continuity plans @DismantledKing - the sensible ones got on with sorting out training schemes and apprenticeships for young people while the rest wrung their hands at losing cheap labour.

Yeah, definitely the fault of businesses who are now finding it impossible to recruit due to the end free movement.

Bet loads of 18/19yos desperate to sign up as truckers

@EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.

But the people responsible for planning, risk assessments etc are the same people who are in Government.

I'm not going to lay all the blame at Brexit's door - as you rightly point out later on, there's a tonne of reasons why people don't want to be long distance lorry drivers.

But I DO put it all at the government's door. They have had years to monitor trends, to understand that Brexit and the pandemic would have consequences for transport policy etc.

The reality is that someone took their eye off the ball.

Not surprising, really, when we've got a Cabinet full of megalomaniac culture warriors, instead of competent, skilled and efficient public servants

It's not up to Boris to make businesses create their own continuity plans @DismantledKing - the sensible ones got on with sorting out training schemes and apprenticeships for young people while the rest wrung their hands at losing cheap labour.

And all the exporters that have been royally screwed by brexit? That’s their own fault too?

I love Brexit voters trying to pretend it's not a shitshow. Not as many as there were a couple of years ago.

Sadly the chance of a committed Brexiteer fessing up that it's been an almighty shit storm is close to zero. It's all going to be every else's fault.

Sadly the chance of a committed Brexiteer fessing up that it's been an almighty shit storm is close to zero. It's all going to be every else's fault.

Yep. According to a previous poster, it’s all businesses’ fault that just over the population were sold a pup.

@IvorHughJarrs

Jesus wept! Is this never going to end? We have had years since that vote and a worldwide pandemic. It is time to move on, stop whingeing and just get on with things regardless of how we voted at the time

The effects of Brexit affect me at work every single day. There are parts of my job that I can no longer “get on with” due to Brexit. Unless you suggest I just break British and EU law, and somehow steal the EU money that we no longer receive?

"It's not up to Boris to make businesses create their own continuity plans "

It's Boris & Co that fannied about until literally seconds before the EU deadlines, didn't provide anything that resembled clear guidance or support and left businesses high and dry trying to make head or tail out the shambolic mess he created.

That was frankly inexcusable.

I'm no fan of this government and I voted remain, but to still be harking on about Brexit as if it's the root of all evil is lunacy. We left a political and trading bloc, we didn't brick up the channel tunnel. The vast majority of Europeans who lived here applied to stay here. We've been through a global pandemic and other shortages including electronics and CO2 amongst others since then, some of which are nothing to do with Brexit, but the short of thinking can't wait to blame it on the blue passport brigade when that's far from the truth.

@EatSleepRantRepeat

I'm no fan of this government and I voted remain, but to still be harking on about Brexit as if it's the root of all evil is lunacy. We left a political and trading bloc, we didn't brick up the channel tunnel. The vast majority of Europeans who lived here applied to stay here. We've been through a global pandemic and other shortages including electronics and CO2 amongst others since then, some of which are nothing to do with Brexit, but the short of thinking can't wait to blame it on the blue passport brigade when that's far from the truth.

Well, that’s all kind of wrong.

@EatSleepRantRepeat

I'm no fan of this government and I voted remain, but to still be harking on about Brexit as if it's the root of all evil is lunacy. We left a political and trading bloc, we didn't brick up the channel tunnel. The vast majority of Europeans who lived here applied to stay here. We've been through a global pandemic and other shortages including electronics and CO2 amongst others since then, some of which are nothing to do with Brexit, but the short of thinking can't wait to blame it on the blue passport brigade when that's far from the truth.

We shut our borders, so we may as well have bricked up the tunnel in terms of workers coming to carry out core tasks.

This is what happens when you don't have workers.

Did you ever think that our side might have won @DismantledKing if each successive government hadn't spent so much time sneering at others, instead of listening to why they weren't happy in the EU? Every person I know who voted remain are in an income bracket where they either directly employ people or have enough disposable income to make the freedom of movement work for them. Friends and family voted leave because they were stuck, social mobility had broken down, the election is decided by a tiny number of swing seats and they saw no other way out.

I think