We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.

[flashbac]

Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

@RumblyMumbly you can't compare an island of 67 million to a country of 10
, you have to look at the per capita and we don't have the highest in europe at all ,
Why do people always say this
Other countries have more deaths than us but per capita less as higher population

Wait until you are dealing with private health insurance. Fighting like a tiger for EVERY treatment, being denied on ANY cause. SUCH fun.

have lots of unemployed still who need jobs

Yes we should train them up. Because they do want to work.

and yet people still think they shouldn't work

No they want to work. For living wages and decent conditions. Nothing strange about that. We have a public health housing emergency. People need wages to pay their rents and or mortgages.

As well as British unemployed, training up refugees and migrants would be an excellent way of helping them resettle. Providing real job opportunity.

@User45829057 because they don't want to pay elsewhere or obviously don't think the edication is good enough , otherwise why would you wait
Sick of all these I told you so, all happy to exploit mostly eastern european workers as that is whats happened for years , many lived in overcrowded houses to pay bills , but that was ok as it filled our gaps

"Are you pro eu or just concerned yoh might not get the beans you want and are happy to exploit others
Read what the actual hgv drivers are saying as to why they left , real people not the media"

Ironic then that we have constantly voted for governments that have made it easier and easier to exploit workers via zero hours contracts, fake self employed status to pay peanuts and avoid sick pay and benefits, marginalised unions, made it more difficult to organise a strike vote than win an election, frozen pay for millions of workers whilst simultaneously bragging that wages are rising.

Oh and according to newspaper reports (no doubt leaked again so they can do polls on the decision) about to u turn again instead of following through on making any real change to hgv drivers conditions. The only thing they have done recently of course for allowing them to drive even longer per day and made tests not fit for purpose

@walksen not just current government guilty of these and week opposition also at play, none of them are worth voting for

@walksen the companies can also make these changes , the ones who aren't short will have better conditions
There profits have to take a dip and large bonuses but they all need to start paying peoples worth
Goverment can step in by maybe limiting service station charges and providing more places they can stop etc but companies have to do their bits
Too many companies paying fat bonuses etc but treating employees poorly

Perhaps a start would be a Visit My Workplace for A Day type scheme- extended to minimum of one month. For all MPs, whichever party, to work alongside/shadow HGV drivers (and the other labour shortage jobs).

Surely we don't need to eat or heat our homes now that we have blue passports?

@Tealightsandd its also down to the companies , they decide pay , and if they want their goods delivered they need to look at what they offer

What has happened that you don't think would have happened if we were still part of the EU?

@AlexaShutUp always one isn't there.
Instead of constantly moaning about brexit why not look up all the reasons
For most it was not about blue passports just an easy boring lazy response
I didn't even vote leave but im so sick of people looking down on those that did and throwing these sort of comments around as though the eu was perfect and the streets were paved with gold
We had a fuel crisis several times over the years

@worriedatthemoment

Yes. Let's add the senior executives at the top. They can join the MPs in the work experience project.

@flashbac

Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

You poor thing. Plenty of food and fuel available. So it's going to take time to train HGV drivers and pay them a decent salary instead of relying on cheap European labour driving down wages. Employers investing in UK workforce is a positive result of brexit. Common sense would be growing a backbone and in your case a woolly hat to conserve heat.

I’m not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.*

We did pay the going rate. What we will pay now is a falsely inflated rate for drivers, which is unsustainable in the long term and won’t fix the actual problem of lack of facilities and poor conditions which had led us to the shortage that existed long before Covid. I saw the same thing with construction rates in the late 90s, early 2000s and it was mental that construction unskilled labourers were being paid more per hour than construction professionals. The same happened in the oil industry too.

You can pretend it was a noble cause to get the immigrants out, but the reality is, we are at what is considered full employment, new resources need to come from somewhere.

Employers investing in UK workforce is a positive result of brexit.

How exactly are employers going to magic up new people?

I get fed up of seeing the stupid, uneducated Brexiteer jokes being thrown about on MN. It gives the impression that stupid people voted for Brexit because they didn't know any better and The Daily Mail told them to.

Plenty of leavers I encountered are extremely well educated and very wealthy. They knew exactly what they were voting for. Remain voting was sky high in many working class areas.

I agree that most people knew what they were voting for. We were warned about all of this in advance, it was discussed a lot. I hope that all of the leavers are enjoying it now.

@BoredZelda no we didn't pay the going rate for the job / hours and conditions at all in many if the cimpanies , speak to the drivers

What has happened that you don't think would have happened if we were still part of the EU?

Supply shortages due to the additional bureaucracy (which we were supposed to have less of after Brexit) We’ve specialist kit coming from Germany for a project, it’s unavailable in the U.K. The U.K. company who brings it in is now on their 10th week of delay because they can’t get the right permits to bring it in. We’ve had the same kit on 3 previous projects prior to Brexit transition period ending, 1 of them was after the pandemic started and there was no problem whatsoever. These issues are having a major impact on the construction industry.

@BoredZelda the average wAge is something like £32000 that can be for many nights away and they have to pay for licence , overnight stops etc and thats average so some companies will pay more and cover coats , others less as average is just that
Its not a huge amount considering

YANBU.

But quite a lot of people aren’t very bright.

@BoredZelda what permits do they need?

@EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.

Exactly! Stop blaming brexit voters for an incompetent government. It wasn’t inevitable to any of this to happen. Countries do manage to survive and thrive outside of the EU if they don’t have governments with heads up their arses. As with covid and Afghanistan, it’s not as if no one knew about them well before the event, but they chose to ignore it until the last minute instead of planning ahead.

@KaycePollard what because they don't share your opinion
Quite a lot of people think that only what they think is correct and insult others who think otherwise thats pretty shit and shallow tbh