We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.

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Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

*not 'work or starve'

**The person ultimately to blame for Brexit is Cameron for enabling a referendum.

Well he gave the country a choice. And said he’s respect the decision. Which, he did.
Cameron’s referendum was part of the 2015 manifesto. Which he gained a majority for. Therefore he had to honour it.
He was also under pressure from UKIP who were gaining more votes. They actually got more individual votes than the Lib Dem’s in 2015. This couldn’t be ignored.
The people to blame for Brexit were the people who ignored people’s genuine concerns and the negotiations following it.
The UK could have remained in the single market with certain conditions.

@EatSleepRantRepeat

If people had spent the last 5 years doing proper planning instead of batching and trying to overturn the result, recruiting and training British people in shortage jobs, and paying people decent wages in the first place we wouldn't be in such a mess. I'm not willing to live in a country which runs on exploiting poor Eastern Europeans and migrants because we won't pay the going rate for goods and services.

This!

The people to blame for Brexit were the people who ignored people’s genuine concerns and the negotiations following it.

This.

Also wrt HGV drivers. We've known about Brexit for over 5 years. It doesn't take that long to train drivers.

The fuel crisis. I said it on another thread. It predates Brexit. We're too reliant on foreign sources of fuel. Dangerously so. Some idiot in government decided to sell off our shortage facilities in 2013.

We also need to accept that we can't have it all in one go. We're not ready to go all 'green energy'. There are other, better, ways of dealing with the climate crisis.

We need to open the Cumbria mine. Excellent job opportunities and a good reliable source of domestic fuel.

@IvorHughJarrs

Jesus wept! Is this never going to end? We have had years since that vote and a worldwide pandemic. It is time to move on, stop whingeing and just get on with things regardless of how we voted at the time

This, absolutely

Also we need to stop the Western centric focus.

We have over 1 million unemployed, with numbers set to rise with the end of furlough. Not all of course, but many could absolutely be retrained.

But - we've also just welcomed 20,000 Afghan refugees (plus the desperate Dover migrants). They're not useless. Why leave them to rot in hotels waiting for disappearing social housing? Many want to work - they want the dignity, the self respect of being able to fund themselves and secure accomodation

They are just as capable as an EU worker.

*Storage facilities

It's fatuous to say that planning/training couldn't have happened because people were 'bitching' about Brexit. That is just one hell of a dumb excuse.

The person ultimately to blame for Brexit is Cameron for enabling a referendum.

Its never just one person, though i think it begins with Blair.

Good point Tealights

why can't they allow refugees to help with the urgent job vacancies in certain areas?

Why not encourage people into work this week and off benefits?

Why not get all currently in jobseekers to fill the employment gaps in the urgently needed areas?

Rather than waiting for months for Europeans to access visas

Why not go the whole hog and blame Jereny Corbyn and the last Labour government? According to Bozo and his cabinet selection of chancers, conmen, charlatans and spivs they are usually responsible, even now, for everything that goes wrong, no matter what it may be.

@longwayoff

Why not go the whole hog and blame Jereny Corbyn and the last Labour government? According to Bozo and his cabinet selection of chancers, conmen, charlatans and spivs they are usually responsible, even now, for everything that goes wrong, no matter what it may be.

Absolutely right. Jeremy Corbyn does indeed play a major role (although the long shadow of Blair was also responsible for people remaining reluctant to trust Labour again).

People need an electable opposition. Labour refused to offer that.

It's no good the opposition shouting 'you smell' at the government. Calling people names. The opposition needs to actually offer policies people want to vote for.

Yes. Thank you out for underlining my obscure point. There is indeed no good in shouting 'you smell' and calling people names which is why the sorry excuse that we are obliged to call a government should stop doing that. I agree the opposition should offer some policies people want to vote for and the government should also pay some attention to what's happening outside its Westminster front door. To wake up in the morning and wonder if and when there'll be a military takeover due to government inability to run the country, as I did today, is not something I would ever have expected to do.