We fecking told you so. Brexit making us suffer.

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Project Fear you said. Sunlit Uplands you said. Sovereignty you said. Can I buy food and heat my house with Sovereignty? Can I put sovereignty in my car's fuel tank? Can I?

It was common sense that this would happen. Common SENSE.

The problem was, neither Labour or the Tories listened to the British working class who had concerns about the EU.
The Cameron called the referendum and was arrogant to think he could win and shut everyone up so they would go away.
Sadly for Cameroon, it backfired.
Farage saw a gap in the market and took full advantage of the situation.
Brexit didn’t need to happen , we could have stayed in a reformed EU.

I really think that the real problem is not Brexit itself, it is that no one is doing anything to prepare for anything in this country! The government is not forseeing the (natural) consequences, and planning for it. They just sit in their seats, pretend to debate, smile for the media, have lunch and dinner, and get their money. Opposition is a copy and paste version.
Also, the solution is not to start paying a fortune to everyone, as much needed as we are. Paying more, means we all have to pay more for goods and services, and prices keep going up, inflation is a huge enemy we do want to keep under control.
Make hauliers life easier, less time crunch for them, free parking, access to accomodation overnight, and so on.
And less money for parlament.
I think we should start raising signatures to reduce their wages, because they do not deserve them!

@IvorHughJarrs

Jesus wept! Is this never going to end? We have had years since that vote and a worldwide pandemic. It is time to move on, stop whingeing and just get on with things regardless of how we voted at the time

You sound like a regretful brexit voter.

What do you expect when you back a man that has not mastered the most basic of skills such as using a hair brush.

So the op disappeared after the first post!

Boris- the man who has two previous wives, god knows how many kids.
He tells lies, does u turns, and gets away with murder.
Yet no one seems to care!

So @Dave20 you are happy that we have essentially a one party state where even if a governing party performs atrociously no one else gets a look in because another party might be worse ? Ilogical really and says lots about the UK. The fact that same party has been in power something like 70 out of the last 100 years shows that they are pretty much responsible for the horrendous state the UK is in and are not the amazing stewards of the economy they claim to be

the solution is not to start paying a fortune to everyone, as much needed as we are. Paying more, means we all have to pay more for goods and services, and prices keep going up, inflation is a huge enemy we do want to keep under control

I agree in the immediate short term, but prices do need to go up at some point. Working people in key jobs are so underpaid that they're getting their wages topped up by government tax credits, food is unsustainably cheap and supported by industrial farming which is killing the environment, and others are spending their disposable income in an orgy of excessive consumerism with huge new cars on PCP and fast fashion. Its also driving house prices through the roof - when you look at the percentage breakdown on what we spend on housing vs food and clothes now, it's completely different to 50 years ago.

So @Dave20 you are happy that we have essentially a one party state where even if a governing party performs atrociously no one else gets a look in because another party might be worse ? Ilogical really and says lots about the UK. The fact that same party has been in power something like 70 out of the last 100 years shows that they are pretty much responsible for the horrendous state the UK is in and are not the amazing stewards of the economy they claim to be hmm

Not happy at all. I wish there was a change but unfortunately our politics is stuck in its current system.

I don't think anyone apart from the bonkers wing of both the Tory and Labour parties plus multimillionaire Goldsmith in the 90s (remember the Referendum party ?) then private schooled banker Farage was really agitating for us to leave the EU. Numerous surveys suggested that the EU was way down the list of concerns of ordinary people up until possibly 2013 when Cameron promised a referendum. Then all the blatant lies about the EU started to divert attention from the effects of austerity.

Well unless you and others start to vote differently we are stuck with the same old crap...you are p**d off with the status quo but continue to vote for it because the alternative is worse lol.

Fifty years before you start to see the improvements, Moggster told you.

UKIP were formed in 1993, but didn’t really come into the forefront until 2010...

@EatSleepRantRepeat,

The solution never seems to be to pay more, except when people are already very well paid, in which case the solution always seems to be to pay for ‘talent’.

Hiding this naff goady thread in 1.. 2.. 3...

@MyPatronusIsACat

Hiding this naff goady thread in 1.. 2.. 3...

And you needed to announce that because??

Here’s an idea- why not offer people on universal credit ( or out of work) an opportunity to do a HGV course which leads to a job.
Yes it would cost the government money ( a few grand ) but surely more cost effective than keeping them unemployed?
I know people who have car licences who are out of work who can’t afford to do a hgv course.
Obviously this would be for people who genuinely want to do the course and would sign some sort of compact.
Just an idea.

Some of the issues with HGV driving as a living concern working conditions. The EU is investing in lorry parking, shower blocks, stuff like that. Here you have to park up where you can, often a risk of your load being stolen, pissing in bottles, crapping in hedges, washing with baby wipes. On top of that, it's long, long hours, arduous work, not compatible with family life. It's not an easy sell.

EU countries I should say, not the EU per se.

Yes it would cost the government money

Er, you mean it costs us money. People seem to forget where "the government" gets their money.

I do feel sorry for lorry drivers doing deliveries in towns, cities. They can’t find anywhere to unload, get parking tickets, have restrictions on what time they can load and unload.
We rely on all our goods to be delivered by lorry, even part journey.
Yet this country makes it logistically impossible for many drivers. Who wants to drive a truck to deliver food and essentials items when you get a parking ticket and have nowhere to go to the toilet ?

@Tealightsandd

If anyone's to blame for Brexit it's those who did a bit too well out of exploitation. Their greed and arrogance is what did it. Dismissing people's valid concerns. Ignoring the negative consequences of freedom of movement. It can work well - but only with money spent on increased facilities, opportunities, housing, and infrastructure AND strict rules and regulations to protect employee and tenant rights.

The person ultimately to blame for Brexit is Cameron for enabling a referendum.

But inward investment isn’t going to come from small state free market obsessive tories sadly.

@Dave20 40% of all UC claimants are in work. I cannot say if they want to become HGV drivers as surely that is based on an individual's set of circumstances even if the pay is good; any more than I can claim that every graduate would want to work in an investment bank and earn a high salary if given the opportunity/had the qualifications. The salary might be high, people could theoretically get the qualifications but a 55 hour work week might not be for everyone particularly if there are kids/health problems.

lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/lgastandard?mod-metric=13382&mod-area=E92000001&mod-group=AllRegions_England&mod-type=namedComparisonGroup

For the 60% that are not in work, they are economically inactive. 20% of the working uk population (between the ages 16-64) is economically inactive. As quoted from that article:

The biggest reason is that a lot of these people (27%) are students. 26% say they’re economically inactive because they’re too sick (most of whom have a long-term illness). 22% are looking after family or the home. And 13% have taken early retirement.

12% said there was some other reason for their economic inactivity.

The Office for National Statistics also collects data on whether people in economic inactivity want a job. 22% (roughly 1.9 million people) said they do want a job.

fullfact.org/economy/economically-inactive/

So based on this, we have to draw the HGV drivers from this approximate 1.9 million people, assuming (a) they can drive, (b) want to work 55 hours a week driving a HGV and (c) the work patterns fit their circumstances.

It has been warned before Brexit this would happen. Ironically its because the UK is a rich country where its either 'work or starve'. People are in myriad circumstances and it may mean that a 55 hour driving job is unattractive even if it means higher pay. This is why we need foreign drivers to plug the gap.