Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

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I do actually find it really offensive that the horrific murders of Nicole Henry, Bibaa Smallman, Sarah Everard and now Sabina Nessa are being played off against each other, in a strange kind of Top Trumps, when the actual issue is male violence. Sarah Everard was kidnapped and brutally sexually assaulted, for days maybe, before being murdered, and yet there is this strange focus on her being white and somehow lucky and privileged. She is dead, they are all dead

@Charley50 totally agree.

Also everything that @nyktipolos said upthread^

@Onyernelly

I do actually find it really offensive that the horrific murders of Nicole Henry, Bibaa Smallman, Sarah Everard and now Sabina Nessa are being played off against each other, in a strange kind of Top Trumps, when the actual issue is male violence. Sarah Everard was kidnapped and brutally sexually assaulted, for days maybe, before being murdered, and yet there is this strange focus on her being white and somehow lucky and privileged. She is dead, they are all dead

@Charley50 totally agree.

Also everything that @nyktipolos said upthread^

I think you and that poster have deliberately missed the point. No one is saying the murdered white woman is privileged. Is that really what you understand?

But the lack of reporting of assaults and murder of BAME women is linked to lack of police action over the these crimes against BAME women.

Calling this out does not detract from the memory of Sarah Everard at all. Saying the memory of a white woman is more important than calling out the disparity in reporting between murders of white women vs black women is tacit acceptance of the lack of media coverage.

Can all of you please stop with this vile point scoring and trying to claim that one life means more or less than another. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Vile, competitive and utterly disrespectful.

Can you quote that? Because Andrea Everard said

“I hope Sarah’s death can bring about some positive change.”

And yet it hasn't, and won't. All we're talking about is how privileged she was compared to other women, while male violence continues to be unscrutinised.

It really feels like some people are using race to show how 'woke' they are, how they see issues other people don't just as some sort of virtue signaling. When they haven't even bothered to look at any detail regarding the case.

As another woman of colour, I completely agree. Whenever I see someone post "as a white woman, I . . . ", I mentally complete the sentence with ". . . am going to use this opportunity to demonstrate my moral authority and compound my own privilege""

@Indoctro

I think because the murderer was a police office it was more in the news

Absolutely horrendous poor women walking home killed because of fucking monsters

It was in the news before we knew it was a police officer wasn't it.

Anyway does it make it more serious if you are killed by a police officer, does anyone say, "She was murdered but it was only the milkman, the guy who works in a shop, a care worker." I don't think so.

@KaptainKaveman No one is doing that here so why stop? Why should we stop highlighting the racial biases of the media and the general population when it comes to the reporting of these terrible crimes?

"The two women in the park - I think came across like they were having a party or something so assumptions were drug overdose or something, but yes colour has a part to play. "
There was no suggestion in the media that they had been taking drugs / overdose at all.

@KaptainKaveman

Can all of you please stop with this vile point scoring and trying to claim that one life means more or less than another. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Vile, competitive and utterly disrespectful.

But that’s what we’re saying, that BAME lives should be valued the same as white lives.

Why do you find that vile, competitive and utterly disrespectful?

@GammyLeg

"The reality is, if you go missing, you need people to push the case to both the police and the media. With the latter, it’s an easier ‘sell’ if it’s an attractive woman killed by a stranger, sure."

Having someone influential to make a noise on your behalf speaks to privilege. Look at all the indigenous women who have gone missing in Canada. Indigenous communities have been telling us about this for years, how many of us know any of the names of these women, compared to, say, Gabby Petito? It's because they are marginalised. They don't have the resources, or the influential friends, to make themselves heard.

Your mistake is thinking it’s limited to poor indigenous women.

It’s also old white women, poor white women, unattractive white women, white women addicted to drugs or alcohol, white women involved in the sex trade … repeat for every colour or nationality.

I don’t remember Joy Morgan getting this much attention when she was reported missing.

The Joy Morgan case was immensely different again.

She had been missing for weeks before the alarm was raised. The suspect was arrested the first time quite quickly after this.

It was quite clear it was connected to her church from the time she was eventually reported missing.

Alot of coverage, pushed by the police, wouldn't have helped.

Again I do think theirs bias in the media and definitely within the police. But, comparing 2 completely different cases, isn't proving anything.

As I said earlier, 3 white women have gone missing fairly local to me recently. I know because of their family sharing FB posts. That's not being picked up by any media.

Is it because its not London? Or because these women aren't in professional careers? Or other reasons?

Because the body wasn’t missing and because they already know who did it.

@GCAcademic

Can you quote that? Because Andrea Everard said

“I hope Sarah’s death can bring about some positive change.”

And yet it hasn't, and won't. All we're talking about is how privileged she was compared to other women, while male violence continues to be unscrutinised.

It really feels like some people are using race to show how 'woke' they are, how they see issues other people don't just as some sort of virtue signaling. When they haven't even bothered to look at any detail regarding the case.

As another woman of colour, I completely agree. Whenever I see someone post "as a white woman, I . . . ", I mentally complete the sentence with ". . . am going to use this opportunity to demonstrate my moral authority and compound my own privilege""

Not one person has said Sarah Everard was privileged.

I think the only reason it hasn’t got the coverage is because of the other story in the news (the shocking story of 4 murders).

I don’t think it’s because of the colour of her skin (or I would like to think it isn’t). It is being covered more in the news, have seen it several times today already. Tbh the more I see these stories in the news the more fear I have towards men 😢, having been a victim to DV myself and been assaulted by men it makes me feel sick to my stomach that so many women and children are being killed by men.

@ladybrunton

I'm in London. It is all over the media.

Me too and it is. It was yesterday as well. Poor young woman, what her family must be going through I cannot begin to imagine.

She looks so young, beautiful and bright in the press photographs. I hope the bastard who did it is caught soon, before he does the same to someone else. I am assuming her assailant is male.

I know where Cator Park is, I live in Greenwich Borough though not actually in Greenwich.

I wonder whether The Duchess of Cambridge will come to Sabina's vigil. 🤔

Simple answer? Because she is not white.

People relate to people similar to them, if they can’t relate to them, they assume that these are things that happen to other people. But accepting this reality is accepting we are racist so you will have people having a go at you because they are not prepared to accept that, actually, white victims get more attention.

I’m just shocked that so much energy and money is still thrown in trying to find Claudia Lawrence so many years down the line and with no reliable leads, yet women from minorities also disappear all the time and someway they are forgotten as it assumed the disappearance has to do with the culture or environment people assume the victim was part of.

Not one person has said Sarah Everard was privileged.

Here you go:

Having someone influential to make a noise on your behalf speaks to privilege.

@Tippexy

Because the body wasn’t missing and because they already know who did it.

No they don’t. What are you about?

@mommydragonn

I wonder whether The Duchess of Cambridge will come to Sabina's vigil. 🤔

And, yet again, let's use this case to attack other women, while we totally ignore male violence.

[quote MsHedgehog]@KaptainKaveman No one is doing that here so why stop? Why should we stop highlighting the racial biases of the media and the general population when it comes to the reporting of these terrible crimes?[/quote]
And biases of sex - remember it's missing white woman syndrome

If you're a young black man, then it's really unlikely that there will be any coverage at all. Richard Okorogheye's mother really struggled to have the police take his disappearance, and that was despite him being medically vulnerable

You know why and you've said it. Sad world we live in.

@GCAcademic

Not one person has said Sarah Everard was privileged.

Here you go:

Having someone influential to make a noise on your behalf speaks to privilege.

You’re quoting out of context. That poster was speaking generally (pasted below). No one has said Sarah Everard was privileged. Please don’t lie.

Having someone influential to make a noise on your behalf speaks to privilege. Look at all the indigenous women who have gone missing in Canada. Indigenous communities have been telling us about this for years, how many of us know any of the names of these women, compared to, say, Gabby Petito? It's because they are marginalised. They don't have the resources, or the influential friends, to make themselves heard.

I agree with you OP and it's something I thought myself, I saw it headline on the DM and then by the afternoon the article had moved way way down into a tiny box. There's no protests or anything about it (I appreciate some may think well why don't you start one). I do think it could partly be because she was found dead so there wasn't that whole she's missing for days thing, but it is equally a tragic mystery and very scary that it seems to have been a stranger that did it!

YABU it's the biggest story on MailOnline.

Do you know the name of the white woman who was murdered earlier this week with her children and a friend on a sleepover? No, nor do I.

Stop trying to stir things up.