To not want to say my pronouns

[Bamechage]

Completely happy to get roasted here and for people to tell me I’m wrong but I’m a woman and my name is always mistaken for a man as I shorten it to unisex. I enjoy the ambiguity of it and that in written correspondence people don’t know. Where I work have made it mandatory and I understand it’s to be more inclusive but I liked people not knowing. Have I completely missed the point here and aibu?

I fucking love mumsnet. Thank you. I’m taking them off

From this thread in FWR www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4354695-private-eye-perfection-on-the-virtue-signalling-of-pronouns

It’s bullshit corporate virtue signalling, an easy way to say we’re tackling diversity & inclusion while not dealing with any of the more difficult & costly stuff such as improving access for ppl with disabilities

@Theeyeballsinthesky

From this thread in FWR www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4354695-private-eye-perfection-on-the-virtue-signalling-of-pronouns

It’s bullshit corporate virtue signalling, an easy way to say we’re tackling diversity & inclusion while not dealing with any of the more difficult & costly stuff such as improving access for ppl with disabilities

That's amazing.

It’s intrusive and I would refuse to participate in this nonsense.
If they are being difficult tell them you’re not ready yet to share your pronouns with the world and they’re being transphobic by trying to force you. That will make them shut up hopefully. By the way I doubt it’s legally enforceable to demand that you state your pronouns in an email.

YANBU.

When asked to give my pronouns at work:

1. I pointed out sexism www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-happened-when-a-man-signed-work-emails-using-a-female-name-for-a-week_n_58c2ce53e4b054a0ea6a4066?ri18n=true
2. I mentioned Stereotype threat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
3. I said that I am gender critical, that I don't believe in gender and stated that it is a protected belief

I don't think they'll ask me again.

Just say you're not comfortable sharing your pronouns. They won't care and will not make you. The person requesting them won't really care either, it's an opportunity for people who wish to do so to be able to do so, they're not going to force compliance on something that's meant to be a feel good thing for employees.

YANBU. I don’t think your work can make it mandatory. Don’t go along with this - just say you don’t want to.

If they want to respect people’s pronouns they also need to respect the fact you don’t want to give yours.

YANBU.

Dint state them or just say your pronouncing is whatever your name is

Just use ‘they/them’ which is on the saner side of ridiculous or ‘zhe/zhey’ if you really want to show how insane it all is.

I also quite like xe/xim.

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

YANBU.

When asked to give my pronouns at work:

1. I pointed out sexism www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-happened-when-a-man-signed-work-emails-using-a-female-name-for-a-week_n_58c2ce53e4b054a0ea6a4066?ri18n=true
2. I mentioned Stereotype threat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
3. I said that I am gender critical, that I don't believe in gender and stated that it is a protected belief

I don't think they'll ask me again.

I was just about to quote this previous advice from you as I thought it was so good.

It isn't. OPs choice. But everyone will get their pants in a panic claiming it is, could be or might possibly be suggested and how terrible

Exactly. Just something else to try and get people to froth about.

If asked, say no. It really is that simple.

I agree it’s sexist thing to ask and your reasons are perfectly valid ( although I don’t think you should need to give a reason if you don’t want to)

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here. If your shortened name could be either M/F and you correspond using and signing off with that under what context will you have to use and define, he, she, him, her?
No one will be any the wiser of your sex/gender....

Love that taliban cartoon. Perfect.

As well as the many points that it makes, it’s also really bad for a large number of trans people (the people that are supposedly being included) who aren’t ready to come out as trans.

But you don’t have to use that reason, it’s just an aside for these purposes.

I'm gobsmacked they've made it mandatory. How can they do that? What do they do to the people who refuse to comply? Fire them?

Even just a disciplinary or what have you, is going to get them into a sticky wicket.

Tell them your pronouns are fark/off

@toconclude For your benefit, I've copied this from the OP: "Where I work have made it mandatory"

For those claiming that people are getting 'themselves in a froth' -

www.holyrood.com/news/view,majority-of-scottish-government-civil-servants-say-theyll-never-add-pronouns-to-their-email-signatures

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/26/scottish-civil-servants-asked-include-pronouns-email-sign-offs/

The Scottish Government are putting considerable pressure on their employees to include pronouns in their email signatures. Staff survey forms have been amended so that dissenting views cannot be expressed. There are regular checks to see what percentage of staff are complying.

For some organisations, it would indeed be no issue to say 'no, thank you'. That isn't the case across the board - there's many, many thread about it on here.

Is Scotland letting transmen inherit male line titles?

I have a friend called Lee. She is a woman. Her point of view is that people should treat you the same whether you are a man called Lee or a woman called Lee so why should she have to put Lee Smith she/her?

Piece of nonsense.

I think people should have the choice whether they’d like to state their pronouns or not, so if you like ambiguity just don’t state them

I think people should have the choice whether they’d like to state their pronouns or not, so if you like ambiguity just don’t state them

It really shouldn't be mandatory. There is nothing inclusive about forcing people to declare their gender identity in every email they make at work.

This. Theres some pressure at my workplace to do this. I have zero desire to as like OP, I prefer the ambiguity. I work with people via email in countries where women are less respected in the workplace than men, and it benefits me considerably to present as unknown.

I am simply keeping my head down and quietly not doing it and trusting that actually no one would dare to specifically force me to.

I have a friend called Lee. She is a woman. Her point of view is that people should treat you the same whether you are a man called Lee or a woman called Lee so why should she have to put Lee Smith she/her?

Your friend is very wise.