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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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Haveyoubrushedyourteethtoday · 21/09/2021 12:07

Is the new school a British international school, or a local one that follows the curriculum?

goldfinchfan · 21/09/2021 12:08

Isn't this racist bullying?

Is this a general outlok on Brits?

HarlanPepper · 21/09/2021 12:09

It is of absolutely no relevance to your daughter or her future that her current school is 'the best in the region' if she is miserable there. She won't be learning nearly as much as she would if she were somewhere she felt more accepted, and apart from that there's so much more to school than academic performance. Our experiences at school shape our perception of ourselves and others for the rest of our lives.

Boredhimtodeath · 21/09/2021 12:10

Move her! If you are told you are rubbish so many times you start to believe it.

PersonaNonGarter · 21/09/2021 12:10

Move schools

00100001 · 21/09/2021 12:10

@Bluntness100

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extent

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

you're joking right?

She is makign an effort... she bouight the "right " shoes, she truied tpo make friends with the girls,... the girls HAD A FUCKING VOTE TO EXCLUDE HER.

the school are doing nothing about it.

Feel free to allow your child to be bullied at school by students and staff.... but OPs kid shouldn't have to put up with shit like that.

Tal45 · 21/09/2021 12:10

You suggest she might have poor concentration, poor organisation and is really struggling socially - it couldn't possible be asd could it?

Whatever the case I would move her to the school you have in mind - I don't think she will be in any rush to go back to the school she's currently at, so if that's not an option then so be it.

I would also look to reduce her portion sizes if other children are noticing that she is over weight.

Motnight · 21/09/2021 12:10

It's not a great school. It's allowing your dd to be bullied.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 12:12

@HarlanPepper

It is of absolutely no relevance to your daughter or her future that her current school is 'the best in the region' if she is miserable there. She won't be learning nearly as much as she would if she were somewhere she felt more accepted, and apart from that there's so much more to school than academic performance. Our experiences at school shape our perception of ourselves and others for the rest of our lives.
Exactly. Best for an individual is not the same as best academically or best in the area.
Plumtree391 · 21/09/2021 12:13

@noprofessional

I would move her. A "great education" doesn't trump a child's wellbeing for me. Rather an average bog standard school and a happy child.
I agree, I would find another school for her.

If the same issues arise in new school, there needs to be some professional intervention but what the op says about her daughter's fellow pupils and teachers leads me to believe that the school is at fault.

AnnaSW1 · 21/09/2021 12:14

Oh please move her!

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 21/09/2021 12:15

@Bluntness100

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extent

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

Why should people have to change themselves to get other people to not be nasty little bullies?

We should not be teaching our children to change themselves to fit in with bullies. We should be teaching our children not to be bullies in the first place and that everyone is different and not to exclude people because they are.

The OP's got her new shoes, she was trying to fit in and the result was that there was a vote and they voted to exclude her. That's absolutely disgusting and I can't believe the school isn't doing anything about it.

Look OP, it may be a fantastic school education wise but she isn't getting amazing results at that school. Maybe if she was in a different school where she was happy she'd be getting better results than this one.

BlackHatHuddler · 21/09/2021 12:17

This is wholescale bullying. The class has had a fucking VOTE to exclude her, and the teachers are either complicit or incompetent.

I'm usually in the "stick it out, build resilience", but lots of practical sensible steps have already been tried... e.g. looking to find alternative friends like the boys, buying clothing and shoes to fit in, seeking support from teachers, etc.

There comes a point where you need to draw a line - clearly this isn't getting any better, if anything it's getting worse, and there are some horrors in store when she reaches her teen years, in this viper's nest of bullies and horrid teachers.

You CANNOT put her educational attainment above the assurance she has a safe education space to learn in. it's bonkers.

Pull her out, look at alternatives, work with her to figure out ways she can build other friendship groups, but get her out of that place OP.

Goldbar · 21/09/2021 12:19

Move her. Don't make her spend another day there. In your shoes, I would kick up the most almighty fuss and make sure the school knows in no uncertain terms why you're not letting her set foot inside that place again.

You only get one shot at childhood and bullying has long-term consequences - trust issues, self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, worse physical health, increased risk of self-harm etc.

Please protect your child and get her out of there.

It's surely not coincidence that the other boy left.

Iwonder08 · 21/09/2021 12:19

Move her without any hesitation. No amount of excellent tuition can compensate for daily relentless torture she is going through. And who cares if you move her to a school system which is different. Who knows where she will end up living anyway

BogRollBOGOF · 21/09/2021 12:20

Where bullying is suppported by school staff, she doesn't stand a chance there.

I've known teenagers struggle to fit the slot at "good" schools then go on to thrive in schools of much poorer reputation. They often have better pastoral support or just find a more comfortable position there.

My experience at school was fortunately limited to PE only, but because being left out and stigmatised was supported by staff or encouraged by one, there was no chance of developing, improving and fitting in. Fortunately I was bright and the rest of the staff good so it was a contained, managable problem. Where it permeates all of school life, it goes beyond an ability to cope.

I don't know what the logistics are like where you are, but it would be worth looking up neurodiverse conditions such as dyspraxia, attention deficit disorder or ASD as there are a couple of traits memtioned that are relevant.

oakleaffy · 21/09/2021 12:22

Definitely look at other schools, Op
My son’s secondary school was awful- wealthy parents took their children out and paid for private schools- We moved DS to a better state school and he was much happier
Good luck

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 21/09/2021 12:24

I'm not surprised she isn't doing as well at school as she could, she's probably totally bloody miserable.

I'd rather my child to to a less academic school and pay for tutors etc than have my child at a school like that

PurplePattern · 21/09/2021 12:24

Another vote for moving her ASAP. As someone said up thread, this school is not a good school for HER. Please move her. All the best for your DD.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2021 12:24

And once she's left her current school (which has been open for decades) she will not be able to go back.

I can only see that as a positive.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 21/09/2021 12:24

Move her to the school with the British curriculum. If it closes, move her onto interhigh if needs be.
My dd was treated badly at a private school. I picked her up one day and told her she was never going back.

Perching · 21/09/2021 12:25

A childhood lasts a lifetime, please please move her poor kid. I would pull her out today and home school (or no school!) until you find another school place. She needs to know you have her back.
What a society produces kids like this though! Awful!
My children are in an intl school that follows a British Cirr, I am not a huge fan if Intl Schools to be honest but it is good enough and better than the misery her current school is inflicting on her.

silverbubbles · 21/09/2021 12:28

Clearly needs to move school as the actual staff sound awful. if nothing good nearby, what about a boarding school?

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 21/09/2021 12:29

@RiotAtTheRodeo

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

I'm not sure how much fitting in she can do when her entire class held a vote that stated she was not allowed join in any games at break time and also she's also banned from sitting with anyone at lunch. Confused

But good for you for condoning bullying.

Not only condoning bullying but blaming the child for it Sad awful attitude.

As pretty much anyone with any compassion agrees OP, you do need to move her.

MobyDicksTinyCanoe · 21/09/2021 12:30

I'm pretty disgusted you've left her there ' because it's the best'.

It's not the best for her is it? And she's suffering........stop putting the poor child through this and put her somewhere that isn't run by and filled with arseholes.