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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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MarshaBradyo · 21/09/2021 11:36

Your poor dd I agree with pp she is not unpopular it’s bullying

I’d not accept this and try to resolve with school or move her

What about the international school?

notanothertakeaway · 21/09/2021 11:37

I knew a girl who mostly hung out with the boys. Around your daughter's age, those friendships fizzled out, as the boys preferred to be with other boys. And it took her a while to make new friends

I sympathise with a lot of your post, but I did wonder about this "Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID". Is it possible that your DD is disruptive in class? A lot of other kids might not want to be friends with a trouble maker

Sometimes - not always - I think it's appropriate to have a long, hard, honest look in the mirror, to see where the problem lies. My DS had an on off friendship with a child who was pretty hard work. Most of the other kids in class were not keen on him. I suspect the parents had no idea why. Fortunately, he grew out of it and is delightful now

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 21/09/2021 11:37

HTKB if she's in Germany the teachers and school management won't see any of the issues described as bullying. "Mobbing" as understood in Germany is nothing as subtle as social exclusion - full on physical bullying or overt, unhidden racism or very sexual insults in front of teaching staff type of things would be addressed, but otherwise German school is very Lord of The Flies - some schools will actually tell you its their pedagogical concept to ket children sort everything out between them and others will just shrug.

Winecheesesleep · 21/09/2021 11:37

I'd move her, it sounds awful and the school sound like they're not being proactive at all. The other schools may not be as good academically but you could discuss the situation with them and see how they'd approach it. You could then choose based on which has the best approach to wellbeing.

Gardenlass · 21/09/2021 11:38

She absolutely needs a different school. The bit about having a class meeting and deciding to ostracize her is appalling.
Like another poster said, I would have taken her out the same day.

ChaToilLeam · 21/09/2021 11:38

I would move her. The school sounds shit and the teachers horrible. She can’t be expected to endure that until she is 18.

Comedycook · 21/09/2021 11:38

Doesn't sound like Germany to me as the poster said the children are smallish....Germans aren't known for being particularly slight or petite are they?

HotPenguin · 21/09/2021 11:38

What everyone else said. Move her. This school sounds awful, with no action taken on bullying and even the teachers seeming to take against your daughter. If you think the issues are part of the culture (ie dislike of British people, or if she looks different to others and the country is generally racist) then send her to international school.

foxgoosefinch · 21/09/2021 11:39

I’d move her and allow her to start afresh. A less “academic” school may well have much better pastoral care for students, and better academic support (and from what you say, it isn’t like the current school is supporting her particularly well academically anyway).

Staying in that environment now is always going to feel humiliating for her, no matter what minor adjustments can be made. It’s like encouraging someone to stay in an abusive relationship. She deserves the chance to reinvent herself somewhere new where she isn’t always dragging around this baggage.

HoppingPavlova · 21/09/2021 11:40

You need to move her ASAP. Her mental health is far more important than ‘a great education’. Gaps there can be caught up or addressed at so many points but her mental health and self-esteem will be destroyed forever.

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 21/09/2021 11:40

Move her

yellowgingham · 21/09/2021 11:41

Are the school aware of everything which is happening? If not, I'd meet with the head and give the school one last chance to sort things out and if nothing is done I would move her. But if you think they're already aware then I'd just move her straight away.

Which school did your DD's friend move to - would that be an option? The fact that other children are being bullied and moving away because of it is a huge red flag IMO.

littlepeas · 21/09/2021 11:41

Move her. The school sounds awful.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 21/09/2021 11:42

sunnydaysarenotenough won't she chose a specialism next year and therefore change class? If not, and if she's been in this class for over a year and not just this month, then I do think that you need to try moving her. Are there any parent initiative or Montessori schools, as another option between state and international?

MujeresLibres · 21/09/2021 11:42

Move her. The other kids are horrible, but really it's the teachers who are at fault here for not stopping the bullying and modelling good, inclusive, behaviour towards your daughter. I agree with previous posters that tutoring or spending extra time learning with you would mitigate the impact of a less academic school. You say your daughter is struggling to concentrate - has she been screened for ADD/ADHD/autism? It's more common than you might think and often overlooked in girls.

littlebilliie · 21/09/2021 11:43

I was severely bullied at that age, they should have moved schools for me.

Don't ignore it

Atalune · 21/09/2021 11:43

Have you looked into a mentor for her, this could be through a charity. In the UK there are charities who work with vulnerable children and you can often self refer.

Who will her teacher be next year?

Have you invited any of the girls to come out for that day over the weekend? Can you facilitate that sort of thing?

I would be inclined to move her, you've said she is at the low/med end of the class academically anyway, so things can only get better?

I feel very sad for both of you, this type of exclusion is horrible

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 21/09/2021 11:46

Comedycook depends where you are - where I live they're fairly gigantic but my boys went on a residential forest camp in summer 2020 and the kids there were tiny - we thought on drop off that we'd made a mistake sending dc2 as the boys all looked dc3's age - 3 years younger - but it turned out to be the other way around! The very hippy parents who sent their children there were extremely invested in the Lord of The Flies style pedagogical concept and the children were some of the nastiest we've ever encountered...

Fubitch · 21/09/2021 11:46

Oh my god, get her out of there!!!

Naughty1205 · 21/09/2021 11:49

The poor child, hideous to go through, move her asap, her mental health now, and in the future, is too important.

Gorl · 21/09/2021 11:50

I agree, you should look into moving schools. She’s not taking advantage of a better quality of education if she’s miserable and friendless. She would be better off in a less good school where she’s happy and accepted.

OuiOuiBonjour · 21/09/2021 11:51

I was this kid from 9-14 after being moved to a small independent school with only 8 other girls in the class. Honestly, I still am affected subconsciously by the bullying and my go to belief is that I'm unlikeable and I can never quite believe it when people actively choose me as a friend or to spend time with.

Please move her. My Dad refused to move me, saying I'd be a coward who ran away my whole life. My Mum managed to get me out of that school by providing a medical letter to my Dad's solicitor stating that the school environment was psychologically damaging me (I had depression and couldn't leave the house eventually) and then he agreed to let me move and I found a group of friends and a happier situation.

I did my BA and MA with lots of expat kids who had been educated at International Schools. They only had positive feedback and were very confident and amiable. I also worked in an International School in the UK for my gap year. It was a nice environment.

If the teachers won't intervene then you can't allow your child to be destroyed like that everyday. By labelling her "the unpopular kid" and trying to look at ways to change her (shoes, hobbies etc) it only will reinforce her feeling of "there is something wrong with me". There isn't. She's in a cruel, toxic environment.

Keep praising her for who she is. Are there schemes like Guides and Brownies out there that might suit more adventurous girls? Is there something like horseriding or tennis that she could get involved with? A new environment where no one knows her and she can make friends away from the pressures of school. If you do move her, she will need a big confidence boost before starting afresh. I know I used to walk in to new scenarios with poor body language because of the low self esteem from the bullying. If someone had praised me for my good points and pointed out my genuine qualities to me, I think I wouldn't have earmarked myself as a victim as much as I did due to the shitty core beliefs I held about myself. I wonder if there are any good books aimed at building self esteem in tween girls with activities you could work through together?

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 21/09/2021 11:51

I also agree with @PyjamaFan. These things can affect people for the rest of their lives so I really would look into moving her especially since the school are doing nothing about the bullying

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2021 11:53

If you really can't move her, school her at home. Your poor daughter.

DeepaBeesKit · 21/09/2021 11:56

Move her. I thought there was something wrong with me at school as I got regularly excluded by peers.

Now as an adult I have plenty of good friends and am seeing as my DC go through school that schools/tolerate have a huge amount of influence on this behaviour. They do not have to tolerate it, the good schools don't. This school is permitting horrific behaviour.